The following is an op-ed I wrote which ran in The Post on February 13th 2026.


We need cross-party consensus for good long-term political decision-making, especially when it comes to major infrastructure. Right now, this isn’t happening. Worse: political parties may agree about the wrong things, seriously undermining our future at huge cost.

Take the Auckland Harbour Crossing.

Currently, the New Zealand Transport Agency (NZTA) and the government seem to be converging on the idea of a tunnel, primarily for cars, with no dedicated access for public transport, walking or cycling.

Even if buildable, it would be wildly unaffordable. In 2016, the estimate for a tunnel crossing was $4 billion, and more recent figures suggest it’s now over $20 billion.

First: how is this even being seriously entertained?

Secondly: why is it so shrouded in secrecy? Hundreds of millions of our dollars (so far) have been shovelled towards various plans and designs, mostly to consultancies, with no public input.

Thirdly: after decades of work under many governments… has there been any progress?

You may wonder who’s accountable for this? Politicians?

NZTA is in charge of the Harbour Crossing work. In principle, it’s statutorily independent from politicians, with a funding source separate from general taxes. Nominally, it’s the chief decision-maker and delivery agency for transport projects.

But in practice, it is far from independent, due to a sticky combination of bureaucratic bias, pressure from politicians, and lobbying from the roading sector.

NZTA’s origins in the National Roads Board – set up to build state highways to make it easier to drive across the country – mean that significant parts of the modern organisation still don’t understand the kind of transport cities and towns need.

Thanks to this internal legacy, NZTA consistently underestimates demand for public transport, walking, and cycling, and prioritises urban roads instead.

Politicians of all stripes continue to pressure so-called ‘independent’ agencies to deliver campaign promises, using policy processes and funding mechanisms. Occasionally, this helps get vital non-road infrastructure over the line, as with the City Rail Link, tenaciously championed by former Mayor Len Brown.

More often, status-quo bias prevails. After the 2023 election, then-Minister of Transport Simeon Brown wrote to NZTA outlining his opposition to including new walking, cycling, or rapid transit connections in the Harbour Crossing. These, of course, are the very things we are currently lacking.

It’s worrying that, in spite of its purported independence, NZTA seems to have avidly acquiesced to this cars-only diktat. And worrying, too, that it’s broadly refusing to release any information justifying the public value of this narrow approach.

Meanwhile, the political pendulum swings a wrecking ball at the public service, reducing in-house capability and capacity. This leaves public agencies reliant on consultants to manage design and delivery of major projects.

Unsurprisingly, consultants and engineering firms often recommend the most ambitious (and most expensive) solution to any given problem. Cue scope creep and cost blowouts, as seems to be happening with Auckland’s Harbour Crossing.

What to do? It’s probably impossible to create a truly independent agency, completely free from political influence, industry lobbying, or internal bias. But for better outcomes, we need processes that are clear, transparent, and reliable.

Otherwise we’re stuck constantly pouring our money towards experts who beaver away in secret on projects deemed politically sensitive, only revealing their near-complete shovel-ready designs at the very last minute, to public dismay.

Luckily, there’s a promising way forward. An independent commission that researches and ranks all large-scale, long-term projects – with the results then presented to a citizen’s assembly for consideration.

This would reduce undue influence by both politicians and commercial enterprises.

It would also refocus the experts – and our precious public investment – on maintaining transparency, clarifying what’s at stake, and regaining trust.

Sounds too good to be true? Auckland has a recent, live example of this more transparent and democratic approach.

To help solve the challenge of how the city will source its water in the future, Watercare partnered with Koi Tū: The Centre for Informed Futures at the University of Auckland.

They convened a “citizens’ assembly”: a group of Aucklanders selected to represent the city’s demographics, who spent two months in 2022 carefully considering many options, ultimately recommending directly recycling water.

Deputy Director of Koi Tū, Dr Anne Bardsley, said this inclusive approach helps with better decision-making on “complex issues where we face numerous trade-offs and uncertainties, and where the decisions have long-term consequences on how our future might play out.”

The next Harbour Crossing is another major decision, fraught with trade-offs and uncertainties, and the long-term consequences will echo for decades. As we’ve seen recently, our current assumptions about resilience need rapid updating.

So let’s choose the better way forward. Yes, we need sincere cross-party commitment from the politicians we elect to guide us – but we also need decisions based on honest and open discussion about what we actually need, with a greater voice for the people.


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  1. Sounds like a terrible idea to me, look what happened to LR when everyone got their say on the nice to haves.
    BCRs may not be perfect but they are the best approach. However they should be used to rank the projects / solutions against each other, not just be “get the BCR of my favourite project / option above 1 and we’re good to go”. For example with the harbour crossing I can guarantee there is an option with a way better BCR than the current proposal. And even with LR, the mode should have been picked by BCR not politicians. It’s possible that bus was the best option for example.

        1. Trying to be an optimist here, at least the infrastructure is there and operational, and if you want to put it over the harbour then you’d probably want to connect it to Wynyard Quarter city-side

    1. The problem with the “rank all the projects by their BCR” approach is that inevitably politicians and bureaucrats will just put a thumb on the scale with bogus criteria like “strategic fit” (is this project something wanted to do anyway regardless of what the BCR is) “mode shift” (how can we double-count the congestion, environmental, safety and health benefits of fewer cars) or “resilience” (sure the regular BCR doesn’t stack up, but if all the other routes magically disappear and this one is miraculously unaffected, then it might make sense).

      1. I’ve heard it mentioned a few times the BCR’s > 10 of some cycle infrastructure get laughed off by the mandarins as not real, which translates to poor spending choices, as christchurch cycle trails are 8 last count. Hauraki rail trail is 17.

        1. “Those massive BCRs all come from stuff like health benefits or subjective wellbeing. Why should we care about those? We’re the transport ministry.”

    2. I struggle to see the need for another crossing. It’s a very expensive white elephant.

      Any additional crossing joining the SH1 corridor north and south will simply overload that corridor.

      There is no highway in Birkenhead / Glenfield to extend SH20 northwards.

      The existing bridge can simply be congestion tolled using best practice like in Singapore with toll levels reviewed 6 monthly to manage demand. The revenue can go to PT.

      When the existing bridge is close to falling over a new bridge paralleling it can be built to replace it with ped/cycle and PT facilities also added.

      The up to $20bn saved can go towards much more critical infrastructure like houses for the homeless & to address the social housing shortfall, & hospitals, etc.

      1. The current bridge is getting to the end of its life. I think they should build a new one (that has room for transit and walking/cycling) and tear the old one down, but that’s just me.

        1. It is not. NZTA repeatedly say they have no concerns about it yet idiots are obsessed with the idea the bridge is about to collapse

        2. NZTA are partners in the Waitematā Harbour Connections alliance, the age of the existing bridge was a big factor in the development of their business case

        3. NZTA have publicly stated that Bridge is can and will continue indefinitely. Heavy traffic will need to use the other existing second corssing.

        4. The clip-on sections are specifically the problem (with an expected lifespan of up to 15 years according to one alarming media report that I recently read).

          This life-span might be extended by limiting heavy-vehicle access (for example by forcing them SH18).

          The original bridge and its foundations could last for many decades to come.

      2. I use the bridge every day in peak hour and it really isn’t a problem it’s what happens on either side of it that is an issue. I say just keep the one Crossing.It has 8 lanes. More than enough

        1. It’s like emptying a bath. The size of the drain and where the water goes to has nothing to do with it. It’s all about what is coming out of the taps.

    3. Light Rail failed because NZTA over engineering it, resulting in delays and that unbelievable cost blow-out. Given their preference for roads they wouldn’t have been disappointed to see it and the Labour Govt fail.

      Would be keen for your thoughts on how BCR addresses the need to reduce carbon emissions.

    4. I can’t believe these ideas are even being considered! If the congestion charge goes ahead for $5 each way and a $9 fee for the Harbour Bridge each way that will cost me almost $30 a day to get to work that’s 180 dollars a week that’s eight and a half thousand dollars a year just to get to work I honestly am better off going on the dole.

        1. .. or getting a job closer to where you live (and on the same side of the harbour)

          or

          move home across the harbour and closer to where you work

        2. In answer to Anon.
          The way of improving passage for freight is in providing incentives to keep cars off roads.
          Improving the alternatives, and reducing the allocation of road space for storing cars, parking.

        3. “. or getting a job closer to where you live (and on the same side of the harbour)

          or

          move home across the harbour and closer to where you work”

          So when you change job you might have to change house as well? Or just limit yourself to only living and working on one side of the bridge, your entire life?

  2. “After the 2023 election, then-Minister of Transport Simeon Brown wrote to NZTA outlining his opposition to including new walking, cycling, or rapid transit connections in the Harbour Crossing.”

    Auckland cant afford more radical car/truck only transport solutions forced on us by Wellington. And yet – here we are.

    Years of wisdom in the greaterauckland transport blog undone by a single letter.

    1. Hmmm: blame Wellington? Really?
      Where is Simeon Brown from? Which electorate? Oh that’s right, Pakuranga. In Auckland.

      What about Chris Luxon? Hmmm? Yes, Botany. Botany in Auckland.

      And that figurehead from ACT, David Seymour? Which electorate, remind me again? Epsom, I believe. Which is in: Auckland.

      Brooke van Velden? Tāmaki, Auckland.
      Judith Collins? Papakura. Auckland.
      Simon Watts? North Shore. Auckland.
      Erica Stanford? East Coast Bays. Auckland.

      I think that Auckland needs to blame itself for the mess that it is in, and not try and force blame on others. Get your own MPs under control, and get them to work FOR Auckland. Don’t blame Wellington.

      1. “Wellington” is the term used to mean Central Government, not the city itself.

        Nobody’s blaming Joan and Geoff in Petone for the govt’s decisions.

        1. My point is that the Politicians you seek to blame, are your very own politicians, living amongst you day to day. It’s not the machine, its the people in it. If you want to protest about the state of Auckland, then there should be daily protests outside Simian Brown’s Auckland Office, outside his home, outside or inside his church.

          People should be lynching David Seymour in the street in his leafy suburb. The Iranians have got the right idea – mass protests in the street, and death to tyrants! I’m serious – it is time to get serious!

      2. Their electorates are in Auckland but they are mostly blow-ins:

        S Brown – Rotorua
        C Luxon – Christchurch/Howick (rare species of pseudo-JAFA)
        D Seymour – Whangarei
        Brook van Velden – 1st Auctual JAFA
        J Collins – Matamata
        S Watts – Cambridge
        E Stanford – 2nd JAFA

        2/7

        I mention this because I believe formative experiences matter, and their electorates are mostly safe seats that act as a base for their careers.

  3. To me the evidence from recent large projects, built and unbuilt, is that a key component for success is the degree to which the client (govt.) is sceptical about the value of the project. This leads to more serious effort by the project teams to right size it. As that will be existential to it happening at all.

    As ALR got out of control via the enthusiasm of the then govt for the project, insufficiently tempered by thin-eyed scepticism, the same is clearly the case with other govts on the magical powers of limitlessly vast highways.

    Note I am not saying there is not value in all these projects, but are they in proportion to their costs? How can restraint be convincingly maintained, by the commissioners, while simultaneously needing to sell their value to the public?

    Contrast with CRL, which, had it been approached as we have the Harbour Crossing over decades, we’d have been told it has to be four-tracked and headed all over the place. Would this be a bigger, more future-proofed, better project? Undoubtably, but would it have been funded, finished, or even started? No.

    So there’s a case to be made that the very reluctance of significant parts of the govt to believe in the value of the project kept it to a viable scale.

    The failure to right-size harbour-crossing options, and indeed right-mode them, has certainly contributed to their not starting.

    I note Te Waihanga, in their very diplomatic language, are essentially saying this too, by showing that a toll, considered so unacceptable by many, is not even enough to fund current plans.

    More thinking, less super-sizing, please.

    1. Anyone remember when Joel Cayford was telling us that the CRL would be a waste of time if it didn’t do a U-bend under the city to have a Universities stop?

      1. Yes, and the national spokesperson said it would likewise fail because it didn’t swing back they other way for a U bend to Wynyard also.

        CRL got built because it’s pretty much the minimum viable product.

        1. “pretty much the minimum viable product” – wouldn’t that have been a new western line station at Kingdon Street Newmarket (so the trains don’t piss around changing direction) and cut and cover to a new Te Waihorotiu dead end station? Couldn’t that have got most of the benefit (faster Western line and a central station) for a fraction of the cost?

      2. It has being built but it hasn’t carried a single passenger and apparently can’t run to timetable. I think we will need to wait to see if it can attract sufficient punters before we can label it as a success.And yes some effort should have being made for it to better service the hospital and the university. I had a few ideas at the time but was labelled a dumb arse.

      3. Thers plenty of cross town buses to take people to universities or wynyard quarter – and no cost if used as part of a HOP card journey. E.g, train in from West then get off wellesley st for short bus trip to university or wynyard Q

    2. I think a core issue is we learned the wrong lesson from the harbour bridge. People whinge that it is “a ringing testament to […] the peril of short-term thinking and penny-pinching”. Instead it seems a testament to the benefits of staged construction, right-sized infrastructure and using cheap active operational changes rather than always jumping to massive construction projects.

      In 1959 we downsized the planned six-lane bridge to build the modest £7.5M four-lane harbour bridge we could justify and afford. A decade later, when demand grew (three-times-faster than expected) we spent another $7.9M to double the capacity of the bridge with four more clip-on lanes (for a total of 8 lanes – 2 more than the original design). With some clever use of tidal lanes, the bridge has had enough capacity to last until today.

      Instead, everyone seems to think we should have built the 6-lane bridge we couldn’t afford from the start, just in case, for “future proofing”, which leads to every infrastructure project being massively overdesigned for 50 or 70 years capacity – seemingly to avoid the embarrassment of ever having to go back and upgrade something again. We whinge about the $40M-per year cost of maintaining the clip-ons, but seem happy to throw five hundred times as much on their replacement.

      We need to learn as a country that the good thing we can afford is better than the perfect thing we can’t

      1. The worst recent project has to be the Piarere roundabout that cost $57 million. I’m sure a roundabout that was half the price would have had almost the exact same benefits (less crashes) but with twice the BCR. And even that could probably be halved again to make it 4x the BCR.
        This of course means less budget for other dangerous intersections. They could have potentially fixed 4 for the same price and duration, which would have saved 4x the number of lives. And it will make many other safety BCRs negative, because it will be assumed that a roundabout now costs $60 million.

        1. Insightful article Nick, and I certainly agree with your point… “The most lamentable part of this story is that they didn’t re-incorporate the footpaths or a cycleway when the clip-ons were built”.

          That seems particularly strange given they made the clip-ons so much wider compared to space provided on the original bridge for 4 narrow lanes.

        2. Nick — for my chapter on the origins of the Bridge (Gas Pedal to Back-Pedal), I interviewed the late Harry Julian (former Chairman of the Auckland Harbour Board) who then commented that “Sir John Allum knew well 50 years ago that Auckland should have a larger bridge with more lanes but wisely cut his cloth to meet the financial restrictions of the time. Many times in my professional life I have had to restrict ambition to achieve the first step on a project, leaving the way open to take further steps at a later date…We have so many flat earth society people dead set on trying to stop progress. To achieve anything at all, smaller steps than desirable are sometimes forced on to us…”

  4. The secrecy is a bit bizarre to me

    I understand ‘commercial sensitivity’ when it comes to RFI/RFP and tender response etc, but I personally believe that despite the pain of public scrutiny, it is beneficial to gain wider inputs

    I have worked on deeply technical complex projects, and sometimes during planning, users or people without the same skills come up with some good solutions.

    One of the key requirements of agile project management is that having users and other stakeholders involved early on

    Of course, if you have single plan (‘mor roads’) you want to push through regardless if it makes any economic sense, then secrecy is more desirable as sooner or later it will be too late to back out when contracts are signed

  5. Another Waitemata general traffic crossing nearby to the existing bridge is simply another arm to the already at capacity Central Motorway Junction.
    It cannot be considered independently of of both the Central Motorway Junction and the roles of alternatives to the motor car, in providing for the growing transport needs of NZ’s largest urban landscape.
    Consultants are no doubt well aware that more motor vehicle capacity across the harbour will necessitate more motor vehicle capacity north and south of the crossing guaranteeing them even more mega projects. They are dependants of the motor industry, not independent consultantants at all.
    The problem is not providing more motor vehicle capacity across the harbour.
    The problem is providing for a greater demand of mobility across the harbour.
    Mobility that can be provided by much more spacially efficient means then the private motorcar.

    1. This is probably behind Wayne Brown’s Meola Reef idea. Pick up from Waterview Tunnel to avoid CMJ. Unfortunately, there is nowhere to land on the North Shore side, making for a bridge to nowhere.

  6. Even just a dedicated rail crossing would resolve harbour bridge congestion decades to come, thousand of cars can be taken off the motorway every hour when more ppl can take trains.
    I’m shocked NZTA is still prioritizing another car crossing at 2026, what does it actually do other than induce more traffic to the motorway system and got it self jammedin less than 5 years.

    1. One of the problems is that both the Ministry of Transport and NZTA (aka, the NZ Trucking Agency) afre completely binkered towards road transport. Civilised cities around the world rely on city-wide metro/subway (call them what you like) rail systems that carry the bulk of their populations. We’re the most car-dependent country in the world, and it costs us dearly.

  7. Simon Wilson wrote a great description of Council using a citizen’s assembly to discuss options for developing the floodplain golf course near the Northern motorway.

    paywalled:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/democracy-and-the-takapuna-golf-club-decision-making-without-the-shouting/premium/H33YVHI7RNFIXCPVV5NXB3KGPI/

    depaywalled:
    https://archive.is/8C50g

    Maybe we could run one to consider the relative value and shape of a third Northwards crossing, after already investing $4b in the Western Ring Route from Albany to Manukau?

  8. To make the right decision, we really need time of use charging. Which will show of course that we don’t, at least not yet.

    I can’t see how they can make an objective and informed decision about it until we really see the impact on demand from the charges, as well as enhancement of PT with the freed-up capacity that results.

    1. Time of use charging is, hopefully, inevitable.
      It incentivises the behavioural changes that will make more efficient use of our assets.
      So you are right, it would be much more logical to make such massively expensive transport decisions AFTER behaviours and therefore demands, have established post time of use charging.
      And it means the costs of a whole team at NZTA can be saved in the meantime.

  9. The solution could be as simple as increasing container operations from Northport to Oakleigh North Auckland Line (NAL) now by road.

    Don’t increase bridge capacity for the future, increase rail capacity now, to reduce bridge demand now.

    Heavy combinations create an oscillation effect in peak traffic, particularly on inclines and take up a disproportionate amount of lane space, including the empty gap in front of them while they “play catch‑up”. Reducing their presence on SH1, even marginally, can have an outsized impact on congestion and reliability.

    Stage 1: Get an intermodal spine running
    The goal is to start a basic road/rail freight spine between Northport (Marsden Point) and the Oakleigh/North Auckland Line (NAL), then scale it if it works:
    ✅ There is already around 22 km of road suitable for single‑trailer 40‑foot container operations between Northport and the Oakleigh area, SH15 and SH1.
    ✅ Use land KiwiRail already owns near Oakleigh to create a simple staging yard and start operations on the main trunk line. With one, possibly two, return trains a day currently, early operational issues can be worked through without huge complexity.
    ✅ Sequence the import swap with export containers for horizontal transfer between road and rail, to minimise handling.

    How do we get this done?
    For a moment, set aside red tape and the naysayers. The most time‑consuming tasks are likely to be:
    ✅ Recovering and surfacing a small hardstand area around the station or another suitable site.
    ✅ Acquiring and relocating reach stackers to Oakleigh.
    Northport already has the port‑side infrastructure. The missing link is the short gap between the port gate and the rail network.

    Will this fix everything? No. Will it help? Yes.
    It would help in two important ways:
    1. It enables an increase in the overall volume of import/export containers, which contributes to economic activity and resilience.
    2. It reduces the number of heavy freight movements on SH1, which has an outsized benefit for congestion and travel time reliability.

    On realistic timeframes, there is a high probability we could enjoy 5–7 years of benefit from an intermodal road/rail solution like this, before the rail link is extended all the way to the port and fully operational.
    Once the rail link is operational from Northport, the powers that be have a choice – and I would argue a pretty good one at that:
    1. Mothball the inland dry port.
    2. Keep it to double down on capacity and redundancy.

    Stage 2: Scale up once it proves itself
    Do not reach for the stars on day one – just make a start. If the basic model works, then:
    1. Invest in sidings/spurs to clear the main NAL for through traffic and increase loading capacity, potentially with fixed electric horizontal reach stackers.
    2. Work with NZTA under the High Productivity Motor Vehicle (HPMV) programme to trial “Road trains”: the second tractor unit is replaced by a dolly and the second trailer is towed by the first trailer, effectively doubling capacity per truck movement.
    3. Explore high‑capacity electric prime movers (with port‑side megawatt chargers) for multi‑trailer combinations to cut emissions and noise. This would require more substantial road and power infrastructure and may be constrained by existing bridge and culvert limits.

  10. Should just bring in congestion charging, and build a PT (heavy rail and or automated light metro, as well as buses)/active modes tunnel. Will provide a congestion free route for the busway, emergency services, active modes, and future proof the NX upgrade to superior modes – with the added benefit of being unaffected by wind related closures.

    Eventually when (or if) the business case is made to build a tunnel for general traffic, ensure it also has bus lanes (so emergency services can use the lane), and turn the clipons to active modes, then the middle lanes into 2 lanes of local roads, and 2 lanes of bus lanes/LR – 1 lane each way. Arguably the middle span might need to be 2 lanes of general traffic, and the 3rd bidirectional track as cars continue to get wider. NZTA seems to view their project as turning the harbour bridge into a giant 8 lane on/offramp.

  11. Any city need new infrastructure to see economic development. But the infrastructure needs to be useful and solve a problem. What problem exactly does yet another harbour bridge/tunnel solve?
    Building a super expensive tunnel that will end start and end at the same place as existing motorways does not solve a problem it just compounds it.

    We are stuck with the same issue as the now infamous Steven Joyce widening of the NW motorway. The NW motorway sees identical queues to before they widened the motorway despite us spending how many billions of dollars. A new harbour crossing from the same SH1 to the CBD (whether Wynyard or the port) would just add more traffic to routes already completely blocked during rushhour. Its tiresome to hear politicians and out of towners argue that more lanes improve traffic flow, it doesn’t unless we really invest and build a tunnel from the shore to Newmarket (as suggested here a few months ago).

  12. Thankyou for a very informative article. I am 100% in favour of its
    goals. Why can\’t we have a dedicated web site where people can register
    their support in the same way in which mass funding projects are
    operated. This needs to be a country-wide effort of country-wide importance.

  13. Is there any reason we couldn’t we build (light) rail from Kingsland to SH16/SH18/SH1 to Albany? There is heaps of growth going on out west. West Auckland is primarily served by an appallingly congested and antiquated roading network, and such a line could even be run out to Huapai and/or up to Orewa and eventually in some sunlit upland of the future might even link back down SH1/Lake Road (let the NIMBYs of Devonport eat cake) to a light rail tunnel across to Mechanics Bay.

  14. Auckland’s next Harbour crossing needs to be a Shared path with a busway. In conjunction with congestion tolling on the existing bridge. We don’t need anything else. This option can be done for comparative peanuts.

  15. How about starting an Auckland Light Rail network with a line from Takapuna to Downtown Auckland?
    Commencing in Huron Street at Lake Road, then surface running the full length of Huron Street to a viaduct over the head of the estuary and up and over the Woolworths carpark and between the buildings on the other side of Barry’s Point Road to descend into the middle of a widened Fred Thomas Drive. Thence through the current Golf driving range to an interchange at Akoranga Station.
    The Light Rail stabling and servicing depot can be located on the golf driving range site.
    Then paralleling the busway until entering a tunnel near the Onewa Road interchange. The tunnel emerging in the Wynyard Quarter and thence streetbrunning on Fanshaw Street through to the bottom of Queen Street. This would allow further construction of the network to commence south from here up Queen Street with the depot facilities being at Akoranga.
    I favour a tunnel, over a bridge option next to the existing, only because I can’t see an easy path along the St Mary’s Bay foreshore.
    Light rail tunnels are only small bore, and have only modest ventilation, fire suppression and egress provisions compared to general traffic tunnels.
    Staged conversion of the Northern Busway could also proceed northwards from Akoranga.

      1. i don’t think there’s any point to heavy rail unless you’re taking it all the way up to Wellsford, to shorten the Auckland–Whangarei railway

        and then you’d need to think about fitting long distance freight and passenger trains sharing tracks with suburban trains to Albany and Hibiscus Coast

        it would be incredibly expensive

        so unless that’s necessary there’s really no reason not to go with a separate system like light metro; something that’s suburban passenger-only, has better acceleration and hillclimbing ability, lighter axle loads, and is capable of automation and ~90 second headways

        1. The amount of fire suppression and smoke ventilation required to share freight trains with suburban passenger trains would be prohibitive. For what gain?
          Light rail can offer the cheap and cheerful street running on suitable stretches trading peak speeds for much greater accessibility.

        2. same ballpark, probably. You’d need the harbour crossing tunnel, rebuilding the busway to handle axle loads, if you wanted to quad-track the line to separate passenger and freight as far as Albany that’d involve land acquisition; if you wanted to tunnel a new route away from the busway that’d push prices wayyy up

          tunnelling under the Sunset Rd hill between Sunnynook and Constellation Dr, and under Pinehill to cross under the motorway

          tunnelling under the Albany Hills north of Albany

          probably extensive tunnelling past Grand Drive to get to Warkworth, and then either tunnelling through Dome Valley or a cheaper westward turn to join up with the NAL at Kaipara flats

          and that’s not even getting into what to do north of Wellsford – if money wasn’t an obstacle I’d be advocating for an alignment via Mangawhai, Langs Beach, Waipa and Ruakaka to rejoin with the NAL at Portland, which would involve more tunnelling.

          by which time you’ve vastly outstripped the cost of the cheapest light rail/light metro option to just lay tracks down on the busway corridor and cross the harbour

        3. The point to heavy rail is capacity.

          It’s possible to imagine a world in which a tunnel to heavy rail standard is built between the city centre and Devonport with light rail onward to Takapuna at day one as part of a longer-term plan allowing the building of an underground rail connection to Takapuna supporting major densification of that part of the North Shore. But we do not live in that world.

        4. The voltage used by the MOTAT tram, the Wynyard tram and the Christchurch tram is largely irrelevant.

          Any light rail system wont need to be compatible with these heritage systems.

        5. It’s not irrelevant because it’s what we have to work with, yes we need to upgrade the electrical equipment and catenery wires and vehicles but why rip up the existing rails in the process

        6. Even in the unlikely scenario the existing tracks are used as part of a future light rail system the voltage is still irrelevant.

          As you say yourself the electrical system would be upgraded.

        7. So is your vision of a light rail in Auckland demolishing MOTAT and building a slightly shinier version next door

        8. Anon – I can’t see MOTAT light rail ever being demolished.

          However, I think it is even less likely that a future light rail line will be travelling from Western Springs to the Aviation Hall. The two will be completely independent.

        9. Anon – whichever Anon you are – that’s ridiculous. We’re talking about a brand new light rail or light metro line from the central city to the North Shore and Hibiscus Coast, not anything about MOTAT’s museum tram operations. There is no requirement that a North Shore mass transit line be heavy rail or connect into the legacy mainline network.

    1. This route is cool though I am not sure what problem it is going to solve that can’t be sorted far more cheaply (like a dedicated bus lane on the bridge). The issue I see is that this LR would be running the bulk of the route alongside the motorway which is just duplicating the bus route at a similar speed. There are no houses or street level shops on the route described, as you would be passing through the mangroves behind a semi-industrial area (and causing a fair amount of ecological disturbance).

      Interestingly, there is apparently provision in the council’s planning rules for a bus lane across the estuary from Esmonde Road to Byron Ave (currently a dead end street). Understandably this is deeply unpopular with residents, though would create a very convenient and direct Takapuna-CBD bus route.

      1. A problem with the isthmus light rail proposal was the first stage had to be connected to a depot stabling location way out in the Mt Albert sticks.
        So whilst a Takapuna to Lower Queen Street, by itself, Light Rail may not be optimal, it provides the heart for a system that overcomes eventual bus capacity limits across the existing bridge, into the isthmus, on the existing northern bus way and out to the north west. It is just a relitively small scalable first step.

      2. …..provision in the council’s planning rules for a bus lane across the estuary from Esmonde Road to Byron Ave (currently a dead end street).”

        I have always thought that with all that water, there must be 50 places around Auckland where a short, relatively cheap, bus and/or active mode bridge could be put, like here. The eastern side of Te Atatu peninsular to link to SH16 and the NW cycleway, to name another example.

      3. The key is to reintroduce tolling on the bridge, as the Infrastructure Commission people suggested. Thart could help pay for a decent metro rail crossing, which would take people out of their cars and the busway. Capacity of good metro rail systems, especially automated ones, is far greater than any bus system.

  16. Waterview Tunnel is twin 14m (outside bore) diameter compared to under 7m for light rail tunnels. (The Elizabeth line heavy rail boring machine was 7.1m diameter) . So 1/4 of the cross sectional area of the Waterview Tunnel.

    1. And hugely less expensive then any general traffic new bridge or tunnel. One that just provides another way of connecting the existing congestion hot spots north and south of the bridge. Initially both light rail and busses across the harbour will increase people capacity, whilst making an opportunity to decrease total vehicles across the bridge, thus making freeing a lane for active modes more practible, and hopefully also more palatable. Like cycleways though, the benifits of any transport system will magnify as a network effect is achieved.

  17. I like the parallel bridge idea.
    The outline of the existing bridge is an accepted part of the city, much like the Sydney Harbour bridge is an icon of Sydney.

    Build a new bridge beside the existing one. Once completed and operational demolish the old one and build another identical one beside it. Same componentry and same building team would allow quicker construction cost and build time.

    Wayne Browns Meola Reef project would have ultra expensive connection points either side of the bridge. This idea has been floated and rejected in the past.

  18. I feel like any new harbour crossing is going to put a strain on North-South relations – N/S both within Auckland, and in terms of the country’s two islands. Can’t imagine people down in Nelson or Chch will be stoked to see a significant % of the national infrastructure budget going into a single project.

    On a more local level, growing up in Akl on the Shore I absolutely hated the fact there was no active mode across the bridge and it was a constant inconvenience in my life (as a cyclist and non-car owner). Once I moved south across the harbour for work and university, it was noticeable how little the bridge was part of my life. It would be interesting to see if any research has looked into who benefits most from it – though obviously ‘benefits’ being an extremely broad term that can be open to interpretation.

    Would love to see rail being part of a new crossing but I really doubt we will see it happen. There is no rail network on the shore so this would be a further investment of billions, with the added risk of cannibalising demand from the busway rather than taking people out of cars.

  19. How about reduce freight now to reduce demand on harbour bridge?

    The solution could be as simple as increasing container movements from Northport to Oakleigh (North Auckland Line, NAL) by road now, then moving those containers by rail to the Wiri freight hub.

    Don’t reach for the stars – just start freight reduction.
    Stage 1: Get an intermodal spine running
    Stage 2: scale up once it proves itself

    On realistic timeframes, there is a high probability we could enjoy 5–7 years of benefit from an intermodal road/rail solution like this, before the rail link is extended to Northport.

    1. We already paid $4b for the Western Ring Route to give trucks another option from Albany to Manukau and points between. Just ban them from the Harbour Bridge if it becomes necessary.

  20. Exist state highway 1 left just past Esmond Rd, tunnel or bridge accross the harbour then viaducts to re enter the southern motorway near Manuka Dr tennis center area.

  21. Struggling to see why this would cost the roughly same as the upcoming, much longer bridge over the Straits of Messina which will have 6 lanes of traffic and two rail lines.

    1. I wouldn’t trust the Meloni government only as far as I can throw them though. I would expect a massive cost blowout for this one, too.

  22. The most important thing is not another bridge or a stupid bus-only lane like the North Shore has.
    We need a combined transport system.
    An underground subway to the city from major areas would significantly reduce morning traffic.
    It also needs to be affordable.
    If it runs every 10 minutes during rush hour and is reasonably priced, everyone will use it.
    It would be especially useful since it rains frequently in New Zealand.
    People wouldn’t have to worry about parking issues either.
    I believe Auckland Transport could do much better — sometimes it feels like even a kindergarten kid could plan it better.

  23. Change the business lane to a train, run it all the way to Whangarei. When it reaches Esmonde Road go under the Harbour to Britomat and link it up with that network.
    For freight run a separate line and bring it out at Penrose.

  24. Change the bus lane to a train, run it all the way to Whangarei. When it reaches Esmonde Road go under the Harbour to Britomat and link it up with that network.
    For freight run a separate line and bring it out at Penrose.

    1. The Northern Busway is too lightly constructed and too steep for heavy rail to just be laid down. It would not be able to handle 18 tonne axle loadings. Extensive reconstruction and tunnelling would be necessary.

      Waitematā/Britomart station is not suitable for constructing an underground junction for a North Shore line, now that the City Rail Link has been built.

    2. There will not be spare capacity on the existing rail network either. Hence people talking about building another light rail one which can include a 3rd harbour crossing to the North, a NorthWest line, and fill some other gaps.

  25. The North Auckland Rail line is very far from short of freight capacity, even from Swanson where it shares the line with suburban passenger services. The horendous expense of underground rail, light or heavy, with it’s horrendously expensive underground stations is only justifiable in very intensly urbanised areas. Really here, only in our CBD, and the only justifiable line is here about to open.
    Want we need is a lot lot more kilometres of using the existing road corridor more intensly, by displacing some of the spacially incredibly inefficient motorcars by more efficient people movers.
    For most more buses and with more bus priority will suffice.
    And if this is still inadequate, sometime in the future, the first stage of upgrade should be surface run light rail, with basic, at grade stops.
    Only when lengths of this are proving inadequate, should more underground rail be then considered. Decades away.

    We need to favour achieving more kilometres served, over serving, just a few kilometres with brilliant service delivery.

    1. One train engine can tow 30+ carriages compared to one truck engine towing only two, maybe three max. Also roads are a lot more expensive than rail to build and maintain, both in terms of real estate and material costs

        1. I’d be interested to see a cost-benefit of why we’d do driverless light metro instead of normal trams

        2. Tunnelling can be cost effective if it avoids land acquisition costs, or big lumps of terrain. But underground stations are horrendously expensive. Especially compared to the basic light rail minimal platform height stations with street level access prevalent on new, (and old) light rail/ tram networks prevalent in Europe and Australia.

        3. If significantly higher capacity than surface light rail was needed.

          Surface LRT seems to be limited to 66 metre long light rail vehicles (450 passenger capacity) due to intersections, and a practical maximum frequency of every 3 minutes (20TPH). That yields a capacity of 9,000 people per hour per direction

          Light metro has larger trains (600-780 passengers in an 80m long 4-car set) and run 90 seconds apart (40TPH) with automated operation, yielding a passenger capacity of at least 24,000 people per hour per direction)

  26. In answer to Burrower.
    9000 people/hour is impressive and as it would be very well under half the price of light rail/ km it is probably better to just provide another parallel route when it reaches capacity.

    1. I think this is what the surface light rail options were trending towards when it came to the CC2M and Northwest light rail lines in the city – instead of interlining from Ian McKinnon Dr down Queen St, one of the lines would use Symonds Street instead

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