A case of almost comical timing prompted me to write this post. It started off by me reading this article in the Papakura Courier about residents of a retirement village in Takanini who want to be able to cross the road to the shops on the other side. There is a signalised crossing nearby but it adds roughly an extra 100m which some of the residents struggle with and those that do brave it have found drivers often ignore the signals. The retirement village has even resorted to using a shuttle bus to get residents across the road when they would otherwise have been prepared for a few hundred metre walk. The bit that really caught my attention though was this answer from Auckland Transport about it.

Everyone has different ideas about what could change, including a longer-timed pedestrian crossing, an island in the middle of Great South Rd, moving the crossing further south and even upgrading the Walters Rd roundabout to traffic lights.

Auckland Transport’s Randhir Karma says a complaint was also received from village residents earlier this year.

But engineers found a crossing further south won’t work because it would obstruct Southgate’s driveways and general traffic flow.

But residents are right to worry about drivers getting confused between the two sets of lights by McDonald’s, he says.

“What we could do is look at orientation of the traffic lights on the poles. [We] could potentially look at how [we] might direct the traffic lights so they’re not confusing to the approaching vehicles.”

Auckland Transport has to find a “fine balance” between traffic and pedestrians, he says.

I’ve bolded the worst bit. When it comes to transport in Auckland the one thing that is sacred above all else is traffic flow – parking comes in a close second. There is this mentality that we must not do anything to slow traffic down and all other users of the road can go to the far queue. But the comment about Southgate’s driveways is also interesting. There are two separate parts (not sure if they are both called Southgate or not) with the north-western part having two entrances – including one massive opening with three lanes and even slip lanes while the south-eastern part has four entrances to spew cars out of in all directions. These are highlighted below but the question I have is why the developers were allowed – or forced – to provide so many. Surely they could be consolidated down with the more concentrated vehicle entrance being controlled by lights along with pedestrian crossings.

Southgate

I also think this part from the end of the article is almost hilarious

The organisation is “grappling with congestion across the region” but has few funds to fix it, with the cheapest solution being to get cars off the road by promoting cycling and public transport, he says.

So if the best solution is to focus on PT and cycling then why is the organisation doing the opposite? What’s more the suggestion is coming from the manager of road corridor operations. Must be some serious blockages further up preventing the organisation from focusing on other modes.

But what made the timing comical is quite literally within minutes of me finishing reading the article (and tweeting about it) this press release arrived in my inbox from Auckland Transport.

Big savings from improvements to Auckland’s roads 

Work to make some of Auckland’s main urban roads more efficient has seen savings of around $18 million in two years.

Auckland Transport’s four year Route Optimisation Programme has, so far, meant improvements to 40 per cent of Auckland’s urban arterial routes or 134 kilometres of roads.

Route optimisation provides efficiency through improvements like better coordination of traffic signals, assessing the operation of the route and minor changes to traffic lanes, parking and pedestrian crossings.

The savings, so far, include one million litres of fuel,  just over a million hours of travel time and 2,400 tonnes of CO2 emissions. Other benefits include reductions in the length of queues and congestion levels.

For pedestrians and cyclists there is less waiting time at some intersections controlled by traffic lights.

Auckland Transport’s Manager Road Corridor Operations, Randhir Karma, says some of the improvements have been relatively easy to make.

“There have been simple changes to help speed up flows like improving traffic signal timings, changing the way lanes are configured and how they merge. To make public transport more efficient, we have improved access to some bus stopping bays. These quick wins, in particular the signal improvements at intersections, have also provided benefits for cyclists and buses.

“The cost of the programme, so far, is $3.7 million which includes a number of minor capital projects to increase efficiency along routes and at intersections.  That’s great value seeing we have made savings of $18 million for ratepayers and taxpayers.”

The most impressive result for the 2012-2013 programme has been along Great North Road where better coordination of traffic signals and minor improvements mean, on average,  two and a half minutes is shaved off each trip in the peak periods for the 25,000 vehicles using the road each day.

The next stage of route optimisation will mostly be focussed on roads in the inner city.

Once again the all-important flow is the focus and AT have been busy making sure it’s improved. The results appear positive but are they great for all users? Yes the press release states that buses and cyclists have benefited and even that pedestrians will also have had improvements but the key is that these improvements are only at some intersections. What about at the rest, have there been any crossings where it is now harder for pedestrians? My guess is yes, especially on intersections where people are trying to cross the main flow.

Putting the specifics aside of exactly who benefited aside, my immediate next question was, what would the results look like if we spent the same amount of money ($3.7m) on improving access to public transport stations? Basically focusing on making it easier to walk or cycle to catch a train, bus or ferry. As luck would have it, just before this came out I had been looking at the issue of access and had put together the map below which shows the walking catchment of the Fruitvale Rd train station which has a perfect example of what I’m talking about. Each different coloured segment is 150m long and the darker the line, the further away it is. The lines go out to 900m from the station.

Fruitvale access now

Now the part that is the most noticeable is the redder sections just to the east of the station. Some of the houses in there are nearly 900m away from the station despite being much closer in a straight line. Sure 900m is easily walkable for most, when you look closer you can see that we could fairly cheaply and easily dramatically improve access. A 170m path alongside the tracks (fenced off of course) is all it would take to cut 500-600m off the distance to station. What’s more as you can see in the map below the development was designed with that thinking in mind as there was a space left between the houses which currently has a concreted footpath running into a fence.

Fruitvale - Stolford Cres

And you can see the impact that short path would have below with around 100 dwellings shifted considerably closer to the station.

Fruitvale access Possible

So come on AT, where’s the PT access optimisation? it is almost certainly going to be needed to help make the new bus network work well too. Improving station access for pedestrians and cyclists is also going to be a hell of a lot cheaper than trying to provide a heap more car parking.

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  1. I get the impression councils are hamstrung somewhat by design regulations in this area, particularly with pedestrian crossings which have to be marked in certain ways, and be certain distances away from other things. Unfortunately the Austroads information, which is what our traffic engineering must conform to, is rather expensive – but it would be very interesting to get a look at it and see whether it is those regulations which are holding us back from creating a more pedestrian friendly space.

  2. OMG what happens at those HUGE Southgate driveways when a pedestrian happens to be ambling along the footpath. Do the drivers OBEY the road code and yield to pedestrians on the footpath/vehicle access way, or is the layout set up to trick drivers into thinking they are on an actual road way and pedestrians are a hindrance and not allowed to cross their path!

    Oh bugger I’ll answer my own question. ALL DRIVEWAYS NO MATTER THEIR SHAPE, DESIGN, OR COLOUR are a vehicle access way! According to the Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004 as pursuant to the Land Transport Act 1998:
    Part 4 section 4.4 specifically (1) ” Giving way when entering or exiting driveway

    (1) A driver entering or exiting a driveway must give way to a road user on a footpath, cycle path, or shared path (as described by clause 11.1A(1)).

    (2) A driver exiting a driveway must give way to a vehicle on a roadway, including a vehicle turning or about to turn right into the driveway.”

    So what is a drive way:
    Anecdotally I would call it an intersection to a road that quite simply does NOT HAVE its own street sign. You know those blue or green things a few metres up a poll name the place you are entering. But it does give a clear explanation in the Rule under Interpretation at the beginning – “driveway means a place used or appearing to be used as a vehicle entrance to or exit from land fronting a roadway”

    That then flows nicely into section 10.2 Share Zones – ” (1) A driver of a vehicle entering or proceeding along or through a shared zone must give way to a pedestrian who is in the shared zone.

    (2) A pedestrian in a shared zone must not unduly impede the passage of any vehicle in the shared zone.”

    and what is then interpretation of a share zone – “vehicle

    shared zone means a length of roadway intended to be used by pedestrians and vehicles”, Oh a driveway and a carpark eg Southgates driveways going into southgates car parks is all SHARE ZONE! ACTUALLY thats every driveway, car park, hen house and out house in this country!!!

  3. We don’t get the Papakura courier ……thanks for the link ………
    I have posted about this road set-up here several times before – I have seen residents here try to cross – and long
    thought it must be an utter nightmare……..having also bussed to this area and tried to cross the road with a pram and small person
    (but further down where its narrower) I also know its a mission
    The total set-up in this area is extremely pedestrian unfriendly and totally unfair to those older residents.
    I can only imagine the whole situation has only been exacerbated by the development just across the tracks of the new warehouse
    complex ……..I could understand how those residents on the Great South Rd might like a (not life threatening or at a brisk run!) walk across to their local shops at southgate and the warehouse ………….I have really really really hoped as the area developed residential (its historically been more light industry) that something might be done to improve pedestrian access across that road and along to the supermarket, southgate and the warehouse complex by Addison ……….to be frank (and I am not a local of the area so we mostly do drive there if we use it) I use a lot of public transport and the whole
    set-up of that area means I acutally tend to not bother going there unless I have access to the car ……..if it was set-up differently it would
    be a very different story …….

    wish those residents luck in getting access to their community without using a car

  4. oh and its bad enough trying to cross that road with a car ………….
    you can see how braving the Great South 4 lanes of traffic and then a busy drive and a set of train tracks
    would put many people on that side of the road from thinking walking to the local warehouse for a spot
    of Christmas shopping etc might be some form of extreme sport …………

  5. It is a form of extreme sport. I am from near the area and both drive and walk to and from it to do the shopping. Literally every time going through there I wonder if I have taken up enough life insurance it is that bad. You avoid after 3pm weekdays and early Saturday mornings as the entire area is wall to wall cars. Compounding that is Walters Road crossing which AT is literally jerking everyone around with – although a report is due in March next year.

    Any how just played around with Google Earth drawing up some alternatives for the area – and posted

    1. glad I am not the only one to see it like that ……it must be so frustrating for the locals

      to me (a non planner) it seems a lovely example of how to take an area, develop it for different uses for what it originally had,
      cobble bits together and don’t think about the big picture of people using it ……….and let it fall short of its potential ……..
      but of course the big question is who should pay for those big picture things which could benefit all but don’t fall into anyones actual responsibility to pay for as far as I can see ………
      And then you have the trouble that the existing use of the area (the Gt South as a highway, the light industrial etc etc) mixes in with the newer and new residential and the new retail …………
      Its one of my concerns as we develop the city that the whole area gets looked at holistically when an area undergoes redevelopment – and that there is some accounting for impact on the surrounds and how it all can be integrated ………..
      I hope one day this happens to this area …..before someone gets killed 🙁

  6. Timely post Matt. I’ve been communicating with AT for a number of months now about reducing pedestrian crossing wait times outside of my daughter’s school but to no avail. In the mornings especially there are far more people waiting to cross the road on foot than there are driving through the area but the balance is heavily weighted in favour of people in cars. I spoke to one of their engineers yesterday who said that the maximum pedestrian signal wait time could not be shortened because it would “impede traffic flow”.

      1. Exactly. The term re-education comes to mind also. AT needs to be re-educated and reminded that its purpose is to serve people not cars. Until such time that our streets are made more pedestrian and cycle friendly I can’t see how Auckland can become what is aspires to be; the world’s most liveable city.

  7. “two and a half minutes is shaved off each trip in the peak periods for the 25,000 vehicles using the road each day.”

    Meanwhile people on foot are forced to wait more than 2 minutes to cross city centre streets like Symonds St.

    1. That is a really deceptive quote. It Quotes the peak time saving next to the total daily volume of vehicles, rather than the number of vehicles that pass in park time.

  8. And the old chestnut that travel times savings for private vehicles reduces CO2… meanwhile people can’t walk in their own neighbourhoods. Argh.

    1. Yes this is the most profound piece bullshit we have to put up with from AT, NZTA, and the govt.: Nipping away at the margins of CO2 emissions while reinforcing auto-dependency is flat out a crock.

      Building a world where people can’t walk, cycle, or use transit, but have to use a vehicle is to commit us all to a fried biosphere which is criminal, but to do so while claiming to be doing the reverse is criminal AND deceitful.

  9. This all represents a monumental problem for Auckland’s future, and the current housing ‘crisis’. It’s great that efforts like Hobsonville show how good residential environments can be formed; but as soon as any substantial non-residential element comes into the mix, or a location involves even moderate amounts of mixed traffic, new developments lose the plot due to the inherited conventions of traffic engineering. I’m struggling to think of one new centre that could be described as half decent int his respect.

    Is it any surprise that demand for older central neighbourhoods is through the roof? It’s more than just proximity to town , it’s got so much to do with the basic street stuff that we got right until the 1950s. Streets are the face of a neighbourhood; stuff the street and we devalue the neighbourhood.

    I really hope that the forthcoming ATCOP guide puts some key stuff in place around how streets for centres should be designed to avoid traffic overkill.

  10. Uh why not just make a bridge or tunnel for the old folks to use. Make a bridge of wood or steel not a giant concrete multimillion dollar one that they keep seeming to make.

    1. Peter

      So people who find it difficult to walk a short distance (it’s coming to you all, folks) will instead have to climb steps or long ramps in order to cross the road?

      What a sensible idea…

      1. It is faster than finding a gap in the traffic on busy roads wish there was one here on ash street in avondale, I would use it every morning when going to the train station instead of endlessly staring at cars for a gap. Plus for children and older folks the benefits are obvious crossing such busy roads can be dangerous for them.

        1. Peter – for older folks (and many others) the disbenefits of steps and ramps are obvious, too. Why don’t we look at making the crossing safer without making it more difficult and inconvenient – which means that people will still try to cross the road anyway, unless the road is fenced off (which tends to make it even more dangerous, encouraging traffic to go faster and risking trapping people on the wrong side).

          Pedestrian footbridges and subways in urban areas are thinking from the 1970s, unless incorporated in an overall design that recognises pedestrian desire lines – most of the world has moved on!

        2. The issue I see is that in the past we have only built ugly culvert type underpasses for pedestrians. Overseas, it would more likely be a low bridge for vehicles so that pedestrians are kept at grade. They have their place. Arterials like Gt Sth road are a good example.

        3. Gt South Rd – even where I cross each day …which is not as crazy busy or as wide as the Takanini situation described here is dodgy to cross
          it takes an age and with a pram it means you have to be that bit extra careful and leave a better gap than you might for just you as
          a) you are slower and b) you are wider ………..
          Crossings or overbridges might not be practical where I cross but Takanini something does need to be done ……even where I cross proper pedestrian refuges or decent kerbs (with pram) can help ……..coupled with the fact though its a 50km/hr zone that is not what the traffic is going (and that’s worse in Takanini as its set up suggests to motorists (I think anyway) that its more a highway than a residential road) ………I will on the odd occasion where I cross wait on the virtual island but since I cannot trust the traffic to stay in their lane or be going the speed limit or less I tend to prefer to get across all at once……..in Takanini that’s not possible – esp for those who are perhaps a little older and not so fast ……….
          Whatever could or should be done is debatable but I think something should be done ……..

  11. But the saddest part of all of the developments in that area is that you can not walk from the warehouse to mitre 10 and then to dick smiths because each is its own organic little development that require you to get into a car. When these businesses were in the Papakura shopping centre you could park once and walk to each shop. Now each development is separate from the other and forces people who don’t have vehicles to take their life in their hands to move around. From a cyclists perspective that piece of road is a nightmare to negotiate; two lanes into one and back into two, slip ways in and out. The whole thing is a badly thought out nightmare.

    1. In addition, besides to the McDonald’s, note how there were no walking route from the footpath to any of the shops, even that long zebra crossing route the length of one carpark was just for people walking to/from their cars, it originally stopped short and didn’t connect with the footpath. Interestingly, a whole bunch of footpath connections have recenely been added. They don’t show on the satellite view, and in street view you can see the concrete that makes up these connections is all brand new.

      That they all had to be added in later shows that the original developers literally didn’t give a f*ck about people going there by any means other than car.

      Another example which could be fixed with a few square metres of concrete and half a dozen stairs is pedestrian access to Narita Restaurant from Sunnynook Busway Station (click here to view). For the lack of a few stairs, to avoid slipping down a small but steep muddy bank you have to walk the long way around and into the driveway (there is no pedestrian entrance at all).

      1. I used to walk from the mcdonalds/foodtown area to the southgate/mitre10 etc area ……..before any paths it was tricky via a garden area …no connection at all ……..its better now in that respect

  12. A hundred metres makes all the difference? Now consider there are 4-lane roads in the central isthmus area that don’t have signalised crossings or pedestrian refuges or islands for stretches of up to 700-900 metres, making crossing the road daunting even for the fully fit and able. These arterials are vital to moving all those commuters around town, but they also happen to accommodate your local shops, eateries, pubs, libraries, community centres etcetera, whose access to the very communities they’re in comes secondary – regardless of mode. As long as the traffic flows will always come first , it’s going to be near impossible to strike a balance. Also, will someone think of the elderly!

  13. There’s also another dead-end concrete footpath near Fruitvale Road on the north side of the tracks, from a housing development built in 1997-98 in Arawa Street. Supposedly there are issues to constructing pathways inside the rail corridor, yet it happens in other parts of New Zealand.

    1. I think the issue is a group called Kiwirail who see Auckland Transport as a way to make some easy money. There are heaps of potential connections all around the network.

      1. Matt L – KiwiRail is quite amenable to paths alongside railway lines, provided its standards for minimum clearances and fencing are met. I don’t think that it is unreasonable for any organisation to protect its core infrastructure in that way. In Wellington there’s a new shared path immediately alongside (and across) the NIMT between Tawa and Redwood, currently being extended southwards to Takapu Road, an excellent example of what can be achieved.

    1. Does Auckland Council get any say about priorities for ‘route optimisation’? They could state a preference for pedestrians now..

      1. My understanding is that NZTA’s immediate response, as with the chance to underground both ways at VP is; well you pay for it then. Where as really shouldn’t ameliorating the damage done by NZTA’s works be considered part of the costs of the project itself? But right there you get an insight into the power relationship that is NZTA v local authorities and the reach of national policy right into local outcomes.

  14. There should be a shared path along at least one side of every rail line and busway in Auckland, not to mention the motorways. Not only would these be pedestrian and cycle ‘highways’ in their own right, they would link up all the little side streets and overcome most of these catchment issues.

    1. I dislike the attention on shared paths. We need to be building cycle lanes, with priority at intersections just like overseas. Shared paths are not the answer. Do it once and do it right. And it’s not even gold plating given the costs involved.

      1. Ok, well in this case it would have to be pedestrians only and cyclists banned then. The point is to connect people up to the stations avoiding the circuity of the (car) street network, if you insist on choosing one or the other the default has to be pedestrians.

  15. Hello Patrick M
    Thanks for the references.
    Sustrans puts some limits to having of right of why for cycle track/footway Crossed by private Access.
    P9. “Private accesses with less than 100 vehicle movements per day can be treated in this manner where a cycle track/footway
    crosses the access.”
    And Cycle track priority crossing “bending out” at minor road.
    P11. “Cycle track priority road crossings should only be used for crossing roads where the vehicle flow is less than 4000 vehicles
    per day and vehicle speed is less than 30mph.”
    http://www.sustrans.org.uk/sites/default/files/documents/junctions20and20crossings.pdf

    1. PeterH – I think you’ve misread that document. It suggests using those junction designs when flows lie within those limits: it does not suggest limiting any rights of way when those limits are exceeded, just saying that those designs are not appropriate for flows outside the design specification.

  16. From what I understand, the optimisation program is to tweak the signals without spending money on crazy expensive physical works. 4m on footpaths wouldnt get much done at all and would only help a few thousand people at best. Tweaking the signals is an excellent use of resources because they are the busiest parts of the network affecting the most road users.

    If AT built a pedestrian crossing every time some one asked,you would be down tens of millions a year helping only a few people, not to mention actually creating safety issues in the process.

    1. How about removing at least half of those vehicle access points to that site, for a start. And reducing their width and using raised ped beds to show that drivers are supposed to give way. Chuck in a sign or two to remind them as well, if you like.

    2. Showing my age ……but I recall when engineering students decided to take the transport situation into their own hands
      and (as a capping stunt) paint a pedestrian crossing on symonds street…….something that got great use till it was hurriedly removed !
      of course I am probably the only one to recall that but
      you young folk under 30 would recognise the area of road that was done on by the fact that some years later a proper and certified
      set of pedestrian lights was built in almost the same place !
      Of course there is an underbridge for pedestrians right underneath basically – but it does show that people tend towards wanting to cross as road level rather than under or overbridges …..even the (generally) spritely and young students ……
      and of course for underbridges you have safety considerations too I guess …..
      However even with prams and guide dogs we have found those underbridges at the uni good to use ……so if designed right and practically it can be one that people will use ……………

      However the Takanini case requires more thought – as there is the Great South and the Rail crossing to consider – if they were going to do something there accessibility to the whole area needs to be considered. IN all reality those 3 shopping complexes get a lot of custom and they are basically side by side – 3 complexes developed by 3 different developers but 2 are right next to each other literally and the other is only separated by a rail track ………

      1. Thanks for the inspiration for my own capping stunt haha. The length of the vehicle phase on those lights is criminal.

  17. When traffic engineers and planners grasp that the base unit of transport is a person or parcel – not a vehicle – then we’re on the way.

    1. Yup, but apparently that’s still not what is taught at AK Uni School of Eng. And remember there is no other Tertiary way into this biz in NZ. No Transport Planning degrees; only Traffic Engineering.

      Please correct me if I’m wrong.

  18. This stretch of Great South Rd is diabolical. That Walter roundabout is a shocker. Without getting too deep into the problems, I’d like to point out a problem that is common throughout the city. Great South Rd has always served as a long distance road connecting the city to the Waikato and beyond. It’s ROAD (long distance, limited access) function was then duplicated with the introduction of the motorway. The look and feel of GSR, however has not changed to reflect that is no longer needs to help smear the city across the landscape. Instead it needs to serve the local area- slow speeds, introduce intersections and preference short trips (or PT trips) over long distance travel.

  19. There’s currently talk between Takanini Village (the same complex that the Warehouse is in) and the Mitre10 complex about installing an overbridge, however I’m sure Kiwirail may prove to be a burden in that.

    Also, the free train station for this exact commercial centre (please see: http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/papakura-courier/8754172/Glenora-bill-soars for more details) has been declined for absurd technical reasons, dispite this representive from AT saying otherwise… If you wanted I could send you an email saying as such.

    Actually jjay, do you think if the Takanini Village developers just built the statation at Glenora that the trains will just stop there anyway?  I know the station wouldn’t be white lines over the tracks, but a fully fledged station… lol

    The Papakura Courier article is showing up AT’s absolute diabolical stance of the Takanini area. Kiwi rail is equally guilty, and in all honesty, from what I’ve heard the Takanini Village developers have been warning that the Walters Road crossing is outright dangerous (unfortunately there has already been a fatality about a month ago by a pedestrian v an oncoming train.

    The Glenora station needs to be built to help eleviate the traffic in the area (at no cost to AT or Kiwirail I might add). Also, the building of the pedestrian overbridge from between the two commercial developments should also be encouraged from by Kiwirail, AT and the Papakura council. I’m at a loss as to improve the Walters road roundabout cheaply, but at least the above two options are free and almost ready to go now and should at least help this problem…

    I’ll continue my letter writing to Kiwirail and AT (neither have responded to the last round- shortly after the death on the walters road rail crossing) and also the Papakura council for them to see sense to just make the Glenora station and the overbridge a priority…

    Kiwirail and AT and Papakura Councill all have a resposibilty to grade separate this intersection. Not the developers…

    1. Seems to me Lance you are having the same amount of “fun” I have with Auckland Transport, Kiwi Rail and the Papakura Local Board on the Takanini area particularly around Walters and Glenora Roads.

      Last set of responses I got from Peter Clark (Head of Planning and Strat at AT) was that a rail strategy was coming out in March next year. From what I gathered the following would be addressed:

      1) Glenora Road Station and crossing
      2) Walters Road Crossing (possibly closing it to cars and diverting those cars to a grade separated crossing at Glenora
      3) Te Mahia Station
      4) Manukau South Rail Link

      I assume grade separation of crossings else where will be included as well.

      Waiting waiting waiting

      As for Walters Road Crossing being dangerous – wrote a post up on that (Southgate Nightmare) the other day on it – with some alternatives to boot

  20. …. I guess I’ll be writing another letter, with more ignorant, lazy responses (if I’m lucky)…. All of this is so unnecessary, these grade separations need to be done, but AT, Kiwi Rail and the Council just continue to ignore it…

    I don’t know what else I can do apart from pay my rates and send in (seemingly pointless) letters…

    My Condolences to the poor family…Absolutely tradgic….

    1. Lance the problem starts with the separation of our transport budgets by mode, not by need or by best solution, or even by prioritising safety. Almost all money goes to road building, whether or not this is the best by any metric, because of a clumsy and over-literal interpretation of, and faith in, the religion of ‘user pays’. And as grade separation of rail lines is considered to be a rail cost [where as in fact it really removes an obstruction for road users] there is no or little available budget for it. So it goes.

  21. Ok so I will put my hand up for this. We did our best to use the existing vehicle access points that had served the industrial site because each time we looked at centralising access the Council wanted us to go through a major public notification of the consent for Southgate which would have resulted in everyone objecting causing costs and delays. Blame us if you like but I blame the RMA for creating that impediment to change even if it is an improvement. Most people assumed the roundabout would be long gone by now and replaced by signals which would have a pedestrian crossing. As for pedestrians crossing directly over Great South Road the consent had a monitoring condition that meant I had to site out there every few months and count pedestrians. A career highlight for me was one afternoon I sat there for three hours in fine weather and counted none (0), the counts were not all zero but always low. Of more concern is the total lack of pedestrian provision for pedestrians on the northern side of the Walters Rd level crossing. Kids cross there anyway and I have watched them end up standing inside the barrier arms when a train comes.

      1. Simple ………its not user friendly ……less people use it …………people sitting counting users get bored ………
        if you make they will come or something like that isn’t that how the saying goes ??????/
        Seriously I have seen people using it but not a lot …….I would avoid crossing there myself ……its just too hard ……..
        I am sure if you talked to those resident in the area about why they don’t you’d see that as one of the common responses
        for those inclined toward walking ……obviously to make the paper there are at least a set of people who would rather like to be able to cross …..
        having tried that road further down pre-pak n save lights and found it a mission crossing at that special round about would be many times harder ……………..
        yes Walters Rd is a big issue …….only going to get worse too I’d imagine ………

        whole area needs a rethink from a pedestrian perspective ……….perhaps Santa shall leave a stocking or two of gold coins and a couple of consents by the level crossing on his way through !

  22. John, out of interest, would your zero or very low counting of pedestrians be used as evidence to say “there are no pedestrians so no pedestrian oriented improvements are needed here” or “this is a terrible pedestrian environment, something needs to change here”.

    It seems that in NZ when it comes to cycling/walking, the first response is the one AT/NZTA will go with – especially if the improvements would even fractionally delay the all important auto level of service. Do you agree?

    1. The low count was evidence that it was a hard place for pedestrians to cross and most people had more sense than to try. But you can’t fix that with a zebra crossing over four lanes, that would have just gotten people killed. The best answer would have been one good signalised access with pedestrian crossings but the Council wouldn’t budge so we went down the line of least resistance. The developer of this site has done their level best to improve the area. Let’s face it before these developments there was huge retail leakage from the area as people drove longer distances to shop in Manukau. It was ARTA and the ARC that stopped the new rail station for no good reason despite all of the Takanini Structure Plan area having been planned around it. It was PDC that prevented a single controlled access. It is AT and Kiwirail that haven’t done anything to improve the existing level crossing. The pedestrian flows on Walters Road are growing but still no improvements. In May I counted 890vph and 13 barrier arm closures in the evening peak, queues for Africa and people walking on the long grass to cross the level crossing. I am surprised the safety record of the level crossing isn’t worse.

      1. I don’t know if any one is still following this thread, but no email campaign has now just started. Here s the first of the many letters that I will be writing, it is the main one. JohnP, you are indeed right, The crossing should be worse in safety record and given more time it will be. My letter is as follows (To the Department of Labour- formerly OSH):

        Dear Health and Safety Group,

        My name is Lance. I am wanting to lay a complaint against Kiwi Rail as I feel that they are clearly at fault to at least one death, if not two in the Takanini region of Papakura since October 2013. As I am a resident of this area who walks past both Taka street and Walters road railway crossings on a daily basis, these two deaths have affected me profoundly. Also, every night when I am home I can hear the poor train drivers tooting their horns, in obvious concern about these crossings that are now fatal and dangerous to the general public. My heart goes out to those drivers that have recently killed because Kiwi Rail have not ELIMINATED the problem by grade separating.

        These deaths have occurred at Walters road and Taka street, Papakura, 2110 post code, Auckland, the latter was only last week to a poor 12 year old girl.

        As Kiwi rail are owned by the government, I believe that as money is accessible to ELIMINATE the fatal hazardous area . The crossings especially in this area need to be Grade separated, thereby ELIMINATING the fatal hazards. At this point in time Kiwi Rail has decided to point the finger either at another direction, or simply say they don’t have enough money. As I have already mentioned money is actually not a problem in itself as this company is government owned, just like Pike river.

        In my opinion the pedestrian crossings are in no way safe. Isn’t your first rule to ELIMINATE a potentially hazardous situation? Well in this case Kiwi Rail have not and are refusing to do so.

        Please take Walters street, Takanini, 2110, as a case in point. The Takanini Village was recently built this year. One of their requirements was to build a new footpath up to the rail line. Not long afterwards there was a fatality. Now, in this area Kiwi Rail had no fences erected to keep the general public off their property, nor did they have any form of “safe” crossing sections joining to the footpath built by Takanini Village. I have heard that Takanini Village owners complained to Kiwi Rail that this was a dangerous situation (Please follow up with them). In October a man passed away in the area that I mention. As I walk past this area every day, I actually saw the people in the area not long before he was hit by an oncoming train, there was no barrier or fence keeping the public away from the tracks. I feel Kiwi Rail have an awful lot of blood on their hands in the instance, placing a full time security guard after the fatality is an obvious admission to me, but the fact is Kiwi Rail have to ELIMINATE this hazard and they also have a duty to the dead man, his family, as well as the rail staff and general public as a result.

        I’ve heard many people say about the man who passed away at Walters rd “why didn’t he hear the train coming?”. Well my response is “ why were the Pike River Miners still working in those mines when they knew that mines are a dangerous place to be? The answer is- because they had faith that the company had in place enough safety precautions to protect them.”

        Back to Walters road, I believe that Kiwi Rail has and should be investigated about this intersection in particular as it is common knowledge, reported many times in public forums that the danger was there before the fatality and yet Kiwi Rail has not done a thing, apart from saying they do not want to spend the money sorting out this problem spot. I myself have witnessed so many near misses, simply because Kiwi Rail have a) not grade separated B) not fenced off their property from the public. I believe that there is certainly more than enough reason to follow the Pike Rike precedent and hold Kiwi Rail accountable for the slaughter house that is occurring in the region.

        In following up, please consult with the police as they can confirm the problems that are occurring at these intersections, problems that Kiwi Rail is reneging on ELIMINATING. Also please follow up with Takanini Village owners as to the circumstances around the building of the foot path up to the rail lines, with no action from Kiwi Rail to act on this fatal area of their property.

        I would also suggest that the train staff also be looked at/consulted, as the conductors themselves are not happy with the absolute carnage and tragedy that is now becoming common place simply because KIWI RAIL are refusing to ELIMINATE the hazard by grade separating these intersections.

        Blood has been spilled and it is, in my opinion, on Kiwi Rail’s hands. As a resident in this area I am very afraid that as more people are flooding into the Addison Division, as well as the heavy development underway in this area that we will only see more people, probably more children, be needlessly slaughtered because Kiwi Rail are refusing to ELIMINATE the hazard and grade separate these intersections.

        I hope that your committee can get the Grade Separating done as soon as possible as I fear it is only a matter of time before yet another tragedy occurs…

        Also, please excuse me from cc’ing in Brent Catchpole as he is a Local Board member for the Papakura Council. I will be raising these intersections along with the train stations in the area and want to be transparent when I talk/ email him in the next few days. My intention is to write a series of letters and exercise my right to freedom of speech, democracy and above all not let the death of these two poor souls go without the legacy of these crossing not being sorted out.

        I thank you for your time reading and hopefully acting upon this emailed complaint.

        Kind Regards,
        Lance

        1. Lance – as I understand it, KiwiRail is responsible for maintaining level crossings, but has no responsibility or funding for eliminating them. That’s entirely a matter for the local road controlling authority (ie Auckland Transport), and concerns should be addressed to them. Any KiwiRail “refusal” is actually because it is legally and financially unable to eliminate level crossings, an issue only central government can tackle – KiwiRail’s hands are tied.

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