Last week mayoral candidate John Palino reaffirmed his position that we should turn Manukau into a second CBD. I have actually looked at some of the issues in the past but will look at a few different points this time.

Auckland mayoral candidate John Palino is promising to build a smart, green new city – possibly at Manukau – as an alternative to “sprawling intensification” proposed by Mayor Len Brown.

A second CBD is the most efficient and environmentally responsible approach to managing Auckland’s growth, says the right-leaning businessman and main rival to Mr Brown at October’s local body elections.

Mr Palino said concentrating new development on industrial land in Manukau or elsewhere serviced by rail or a busway would not only take the growth pressure away from suburban Auckland, but create a new city where people wanted to live.

He has criticised provisions in the new planning rulebook for the city – or Unitary Plan – to cram new residents into suburbs not designed for intensification. The plan may be notified on the eve of the elections and he has promised a review of it.

“The council’s top-down ‘my way or the highway’ approach to growth has killed off the excitement we all should be feeling about Auckland’s future,” Mr Palino said.

He said the way to fund a second CBD was through local government infrastructure bonds, which would be offered to New Zealanders first.

There are a couple of statements in there that just seem absurd. To start with, to refer to the unitary plan as sprawling intensification makes you wonder if he has even looked at the plan or if he is just listening to the shrills of residents in the likes of St Heliers and Milford. While the proposed mixed house zone covered ~49% of the urban area, the rules contained within it are similar to exists under current planning rules today. In fact John’s own house would only be possible within the mixed house zone. The proposed Terraced House and Apartment Building (THAB) zone where buildings were allowed to be four storeys or higher only covered ~7% of the urban area. That is hardly sprawling intensification.

The second is the suggestion that existing suburbs weren’t designed for intensification. How is it that the majority of suburbs in Auckland weren’t designed for intensification but somehow those surrounding Manukau were (because there is no way we could fit all growth into the industrial area of Manukau). It seems to me more just a position of putting the intensification in a place where he and the people he expects to vote for him won’t go and so won’t have to see. In other words a case of putting it in someone else’s backyard.

Lastly the comment of putting intensification of where people want to live is almost comical because I’m pretty sure that if we all had the choice, most people (not all) would love to live

  • Near the water
  • Near a town centre with good amenities and transport
  • Near open space

Of course where people want to live is reflected very much in land values. The maps below show the residential and commercial land values per square metre in the city. It’s pretty clear that if you want to put intensification in a place where people want to live, that putting a lot more people in and around Manukau isn’t necessarily the best option. Of course the developing Manukau substantially would help change that picture a bit probably not substantially.

Land Values per sq m Total

As a side note, you could probably plot the majority of support/opposition to the unitary plan by this map too, those areas in red (CBD excepted) being most opposed.

But what I really wanted to cover in this post was the idea of a second CBD. A CBD is effectively just the main concentration of commercial, retail and often residential activity that occurs in an urban area. It often occurs in roughly the geographical centre of a city but not always. Of course the same sorts of activities and densities could happen elsewhere in the urban area but normally don’t happen to the same size or scale as the main CBD.

One of the touted benefits of a secondary CBD is that they enable some key retail, services and employment of be located in closer to where people might live while also supporting higher densities in their own right. So if more than one CBD is a good idea then why just stop at two with Manukau? Why not three, four or even ten secondary CBDs? Surely we would want some these secondary centres all around the region close to major population catchments.

To enable these secondary centres to develop we could start by designating a small-medium sized area in which buildings are allowed to be higher than elsewhere across the region (with the exception of the main CBD). We could allow some of those buildings to contain apartments. We should ensure that the zoning allows for the construction of office buildings, shops or other similar developments. These centres should be easy to get around on foot and as Palino himself mentions, they need to be hooked up to the rest of the region by either a busway or a rail line. In the future if we need to expand these centres we could possibly do so by re-designating some the land around them.

To spread them out around the city we probably want a couple in the North, South, East and West. With a lot of growth likely to occur in the Northwest we probably want one there too.

This secondary CBD idea is starting to sound quite good, perhaps John is onto something that the current council haven’t thought of. But if there is perhaps one issue it is that the name. The term secondary CBD sounds a bit lame so we probably should come up with something a bit better. After thinking about it I came to the conclusion that the urban area of Auckland happens to be defined by the Metropolitan Urban Limit. Metropolitan sounds like a quite nice name so why not call these places Metropolitan Centres.

Brilliant so now we have a suggestion of a metropolitan centre which is a concentration of residential, retail, and employment and a number of them will be spread around the region. With such a potentially genius idea it’s amazing that the council’s planners didn’t even think about it…….

Oh wait they did. Here is the development strategy from the Auckland Plan where amongst a lot of other things, it says

Metropolitan centres, such as Takapuna and Manukau, will accommodate a large proportion of the city’s future residential, retail and employment growth. Generally these areas will serve a sub-regional catchment and be supported by efficient transport networks.

While the Urban Auckland section says

Metropolitan centres – these serve regional catchments or have strategic roles within the region. They provide a diverse range of shopping, business, cultural, entertainment and leisure activities, together with higher-density residential and mixed-use environments. They have good transport access and are served by high-frequency public transportation. These centres have the greatest opportunities for additional business and residential growth

The map below is the development strategy for the urban area

Auckland Plan - Development Strategy

In short, what John Palino is suggesting is already happening as part of the Auckland Plan which is the high level strategy that the Unitary Plan is meant to enable. Further, rather than dive head first into spruiking Manukau as some kind of saviour location, perhaps we should focus on getting it the maximum out of it from even just what is proposed in the Unitary Plan. The map below shows the extend of the Metropolitan Centre zoning that was proposed and you can see just how much of it is current being used for carparking or other low rise activityies (for example the area north of Ronwood Ave all currently has a maximum height of about two storeys). If there is actually demand for the area to develop then it will happen on its own.

Manukau Metropolitian Centre

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  1. [It seems to me more just a position of putting the intensification in a place where he and the people he expects to vote for him won’t go and so won’t have to see. In other words a case of putting it in someone else’s backyard.]
    Yeah my backyard so I am acutely aware of what is going on around the situation with Manukau.

    Look I have no qualms with what you level against Palino what-so-ever. My household is not voting for him so it is a case of whatever floats your boat there.

    But for the rest of it with Manukau do you have to be so condescending towards the heart of South Auckland.

    I bring your attention to this from last week http://www.95bfm.com/default,212359.sm
    Auckland Deputy Mayor Penny Hulse
    MP3, 8m00s, 7.3MB, first broadcast 21 August 2013
    Auckland Deputy Mayor Penny Hulse responds to The Vote’s topic ‘Is Auckland sucking the life out of NZ?’, answers whether she thinks Auckland needs a second CBD in Manukau and gives her personal opinion on the construction of a convention centre in Auckland.

    Two things from that:
    First – Most people recognise Manukau as the Manukau City Centre or Manukau CBD, even Auckland Transport keeps saying Manukau CBD in their transport documents (irony I know).
    Second – From the first point a private sector initiative is slowly getting the ball rolling in utilising the “sense of our identity” concept (from the City Centre Zone definition) in moving toward the ultimate goal of restoring so much needed love down here; an Area Plan.

    Using an excerpt from the SMC definition coined up and is being worked on at the moment

    “The Super Metropolitan Centre makes an important contribution to our sense of identity whether it is international, national, regional or sub-regional in sense identity construction.
    A Super Metropolitan Centre does have comparisons also with the lower order Metropolitan Centres in acting as hubs for a wide range of activities including commercial, leisure, high density residential, tourist, cultural, community and civic services – just on a more intense level than an existing Metropolitan Centre but not as intense as a City Centre Zone as mentioned above.”

    What is also just starting to give weight behind getting Manukau some much needed love was a mention of a partnership between Auckland and the Waikato. However, we need to see what exactly is happening there before adapting plans to that.

    And so work on giving some much needed love for Manukau continues – and is being led by Private Sector (with partnership being sought with Council (and no it does not mean subsidies like Wynyard Quarter))

    More updates as the cogs continue to move

    1. Not sure why you think Manukau should be that much more special than any of the other metro centres in the region. The point is we should put the zoning in place to allow these places to develop but we shouldn’t be arbitrarily declaring that one is the best and trying to force all development there.

      1. Agreed – what would the actual difference in zoning rules between an MC and an SMC? If it’s minor, what’s the point? Even the difference between MC and city centre is fairly minor from my recollection

        1. I’ll stick the three definitions up later (City Centre Zone, Super Metropolitan Centre, Metropolitan Centre) later. But one of the key aspects was making sure the height limits in the Metropolitan Centre definition were not imposed on Manukau (apart from the airport flight path rules at the north end). As the Unitary Plan is 30 year plan and South Auckland is going to be taking the brunt of growth (as mentioned in the Deputy Mayor’s interview)(but not knowing the extent of what is happening the Waikato) then I rather not have 18 storey height limits imposed on the Manukau Super Centre area. Meaning if someone wants to build a 26-30 storey tower in 2025 because the economic conditions support it for Manukau then why stop them (and yes again I know about the airport rules).

          Again all the reasoning is there in my blog posts on the SMC concept for your reading leisure

      2. Ben is not trying to ‘Force’ development there. In fact less so than Waterfront Auckland and ‘forcing’ development on Wynyard.

      3. Matt if you read through every single post under the http://voakl.net/category/planning/urban-planning-and-design/manukau/ Manukau Category you will have both your questions answered, and know why Manukau is being pushed as the first Super Metropolitan Centre (Albany being the second in 20 years time)

        The posts will also and do tell quite clearly what is being “gunned for” in Manukau especially with zoning, physical and social infrastructure.

        NO ONE and I will say it again NO ONE from the TotaRim-led initiative on Manukau is forcing “all” or any development there (Manukau)

        Manukau’s goal is to have the foundations laid down (good physical and social infrastructure, and the appropriate zones via an area plan) and then allow the Private Sector to do the rest.

        Manukau is to complement the main CBD as well as to strengthen South Auckland’s economic and social credentials.

        As I also mentioned in the previous comment (did you listen to the interview with Penny Hulse by the way) that something is up with Auckland and the Waikato. If it is what I am thinking what it will be then best have the South geared up ready.

        That is what Manukau is about

  2. Ironically we had 3 major councils and two semi rural ones in Auckland each promoting their own CBD’s and in some respects under that model it partially worked, hence the spread of Auckland Council staff at the moment at various new and old council buildings in the old district CBD’s. Yet Auckland Council have taken over the old ASB building in Albert St to try and house all of their organisations under one roof, so that scraps any intentions of multiple CBD’s. Under the super city that seems to want to centralise, whats the chances of multiple CBD’s? It seems to me that the local aspect that we used to get under our old councils has disappeared replaced by some vague directionless giant. However I can’t see some centralised planning, almost Soviet style, making a second or third CBD just happen as this is really where the market works best

    1. In the same camp are those well know communist organisations Telecom and ASB who have recently centralised their functions to a single CBD area office.

      1. Conan, as I’ve stated on here before, ASB have not centralised their functions – they simply moved their CBD office from Albert Street to Wynyard Quarter. The call centres are at Manukau, Eden Quarter and Albany. The back office functions (~600) are performed at Eden Quarter and IT (~500) lives at Albany. Plus there is subsidiary Sovereign at Smales Farm.

  3. The biggest issue that I can see holding Manukau back, apart from general zoning and parking minimums, is the size of the blocks. Other than in the centre, which is where there is development happening (apartments etc), they’re huge and prevent a walkable city centre. These do nothing to encourage anything other than big box commercial. If council could do one thing, it would be to buy up some of that car parking and create pedestrian streets.

    1. Strange you should mention that. I discovered that the car parks used for the Westfield Manukau Mall is in fact owned by Auckland Council. Whether the land under the mall itself is I am not sure. But Westfield were (or still are) working in the lease for those car parks over the next period of time.

      If this is the case then Council already has a leg up to kick start some redevelopment in the biggest parking lot in South Auckland that is not the State Highway One/Twenty Interchange. I will investigate that further and see if anything can be done there.

      As for getting pedestrian malls and lots of cycle ways – working on it.

  4. Do you have a source for the land value map?

    “[a CBD] often occurs in roughly the geographical centre of a city but not always.” Chicken and egg. Development/residential growth is likely to occur close to a centre and ripple out over time, geographic and planning constraints aside.

  5. I thought Paulino’s apparent disdain for intensification was a little strange given he lives in an apartmentin the eastern beaches.

    When Len – who lives on a lifestyle block – promotes intensification he is accused of condemning people to a house and lifestyle different from what he enjoys. If Paulino is against intensification (how he lives) then shouldn’t he be accused of condemning people to a life on the fringes of the city and the costs (time and money) that comes about from long-distance commuting? Something he has shunned?

  6. Because of the civic infrastructure provided to any city’s cbd, there does end up being a transfer of economic rent to that area. This can be captured by land owners and businesses where it is financial, and in amenity by those who frequent it.
    Directing all major public transport lines into one central area exacerbates this.
    Capital flows into the centre.
    We all pay for infrastructure to go into the centre, this increases land value and amenity, which is disproportionately enjoyed by some.
    Creating another cbd sounds like a logical way of spreading the wealth. Not a town centre, but another cbd.
    This would also help to alleviate the logjam that afflicts the Grafton CBD during rush hour. The origin of most of auckland’s transport problems is the concentration of peak trips into the same square kilometre.

      1. Rather defeats the argument doesn’t it? If CBD’s are no good then why do you want another one?

        Quite apart from the contradiction involved in arguing for two centres…. There can be no such thing. Although AK has many ‘centres’ it will only have one CBD. Which isn’t to say the obvious; of course everyone wants Mankau to thrive, along with the rest of the city, it just strikes me as asking for disappointment to set MC or anywhere else up to be another CBD. Better to focus on how MC can best function and improve than to saddle it with such a silly task.

        And a pattern of Inversion is indeed clearly the new zeitgeist for cities and as irresistible, it would seem, as the ‘flight to the suburbs’ was last century. If anything is happening in Auckland as in other cities around the world it is a strengthening of the centre not the reverse. But it’s not a zero sum game: This doesn’t mean other centres, and AK has many, aren’t also thriving. No need for envy from MC, which is getting a lot investment right now. But it does mean Palino is not making any sense.

        1. “There can be no such thing. Although AK has many ‘centres’ it will only have one CBD.”

          Surely a city like London either has either one giant CBD extending from Shoreditch to at least Hammersmith. Or no CBD, with a whole lot of sub-centers of roughly equal importance. I’m tending towards the second option, partly because I’ve never hear the term “CBD” used with regards to London. Or New York either, for that matter.

          So I don’t have an issue with multiple centers for Auckland either. If the term “CBD” is the issue, then just stop using it. Personally I think it’d be a lot cooler to say you were going out in (say) Waitemata for the evening, rather than going out in the CBD or the city center.

        2. I prefer calling it the city centre, CBD has a ring of the 1980’s desolate, empty city after 5pm that Auckland once was. It’s so much more than just a CBD these days.

        3. London has a CDB, they just don’t use that term, instead the central business district is called either ‘the city’ or ‘the square mile’.

          It covers roughly the area of the original Roman settlement from the middle ages, and is where most of the top firms are, though in recent years i would say about half of the banks have moved to londons new second financial centre Canary Wharf.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London

          The City is quite concentrated and focused, i would not agree with the statement than the whole of london is like one big CDB. If you look at the skyline it’s clear the square mile is the CDB.

          http://alphabetcityestates.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/london-skyline.jpg
          That’s the square mile on the right hand side.

          While London did plan a sort of second CDB with the Docklands development, and it was like Manukau a sort of urban renewal project, the demand for office space is so much higher in London, with massive global institutions headquartered there. I’m not sure it makes much sense to do the same here when the existing CDB has so much empty space in it.

  7. Recommend that people read through the article in the link above. It makes a lot of good points, backed by research, that are often rejected out of hand by some contributors on this blog.
    Two CBDs is more democratic than one as it transfer benefits between the two and can decongest Grafton. Share the wealth.
    Previous councils all had their own cbd, incl. takapuna. So you are wrong to assert that akl has only ever had one.

    1. Central Business District: look at the phrase; you are arguing that a circle can have two centres. This is clearly not possible. But a city can have many centres of activity and Auckland already does. As Matt shows above and as is supported in the UP. My only issue with whatever you are urging or Palino for that matter is that these things happen more or less organically and it is neither easy nor certain that whatever you want can be or should be made to happen through policy. Manukau has had decades of all sorts of subsidy to become more of a centre than it ever has, transport, government agency, educational investment, MC is a pretty clear example of how hard it is to direct urban development from above in a democratic society.

    2. And Tamaki the first sentence of your link is an unsupported strawman… ‘Much of Australia’s planning policies are based on the presumption that the bulk of the population commutes to the central core for employment’.

      Really? Where is the evidence for this?

    3. CBD stands for central business district, our CBD (single) has 130,000 jobs and 50,000+ students, nowhere else comes close, Manukau and Takapuna are subsidiary centres who play a supporting role.

  8. These right whingers can’t help themselves can they? According to Tamaki and others the following are acceptable:
    -urban sprawl, and consumption of farmland which is irreplaceable
    -pollution from motor vehicles
    -no mention of subsidised roads and motor vehicles
    -wasted time on highways in congestion
    -failure to provide high density for those who want it

    Same Teapartying, different day.

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