There has been various proposals to electrify the Auckland rail network over the last 90 years (usually also involving building a version of the CRL at the same time) so it’s been a long wait but today our first electric train has finally arrived in the city. The ship carrying the train is currently docking and the train should be unloaded shortly before being trucked to the new Wiri depot.

Ship arrival

At Wiri the three cars of the EMU will be unwrapped and joined together before starting to go through what I imagine will be a fairly extensive testing phase. The train itself will be unveiled in a few weeks time.

For those interested here is a video AT had made of the train making its way from the factory in Spain to the nearest port, a journey that involves travelling some fairly windy mountain roads.

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  1. Went for a walk along the waterfront for a glimpse of the trains but nothing to see there. That’s a large chunk of the waterfront that Ports of Auckland use.

    Do we get to keep those trailers/cradles the wagons are sitting on in the ship?

      1. And I’m not involved in the Minto campaign. I’ll PROBABLY vote for him since Len Brown seems a shoe-in, though. I really thought that people here would be interested in what the third-placed mayoral candidate has to say on the PT and housing issues.

        1. So you’ll potentially split the left vote and let Palinto (or whatever his name is) waltz on in to destroy all the hard work that’s been done on making Auckland liveable? Awesome.

        2. Wow, Matt, this is exactly why centre-left parties around the world are going to hell; they’re drifting rightwards all the time and when called on it they yell “you have to vote for us or GENGHIS KHAN over there will get in!!!” It’s emotional blackmail, not politics.

          Seriously: 1) Even the best centrist government should face a challenge from the left; 2) there is no way in hell Len Brown is losing from here, especially to a confused creature like Palino. He’s got the Chamber of Commerce and everywhere south of the Manukau and west of the motorway sewn up.

          And I was interested to see whether an article could be written refuting the stuff that Minto says that I don’t agree with (like the need for parking minimums and the horror of children growing up in high-density living), but perhaps that won’t happen.

    1. We are happy to have the views of all candidates covered here, especially discussing their views on transport and urban form. Some of what Minto says in that article we would support, for example:

      ‘He points out that experts agree that road-building cannot avert total gridlock in Auckland…’ [although not quite how I’d put it]

      But others show that he doesn’t really understand the issues:

      For this reason, Minto is not in favour of immediately removing minimum parking requirements for business and homes, which some argue would make for cheaper housing. “There are families living way out west or south who currently need three, four or even five cars. But this will change once free public transport becomes a reality.”

      Removing MPRs does not mean removing existing parking or even the end of providing more parking, but just getting distorting regulation out of the parking supply market, and removing one layer of cost for some future dwellings. The need for five car households should be addressed by providing real viable alternatives to always having to drive rather than forcing more wasteful parking everywhere. And this is a far more effective way of addressing transport poverty than trying to help people park the cars they can’t afford to run.

      On housing too he raises a non issue, as the vast supply of detached housing for large families in Auckland is not going away, but rather we face a growing shortfall of dwellings more suitable for the growing numbers of smaller households:

      Minto has no problem with the idea of intensification, or that Auckland should be growing “up” rather than out. But he insists that low-income families will still need stand-alone housing. “Families need wide spaces to grow up in – they’re not growing to grow up on the sixth floor of an apartment building.”

      I also disagree that Auckland’s transport woes can be fixed by simply making the current public transport service free for users. I do agree with aspects of this question. I agree that cost of fares is a very important issue and a barrier to use for some. I agree that Auckland’s fares are often too high for the quality of the service offered [and are among the highest in the OECD]. However that the high quality Transit system Auckland needs can be ushered up while at the same time spending much much more on operating subsidies is hard to believe.

      If households are running five cars then cost isn’t the thing that is keeping off Transit, but rather that using Transit just isn’t a viable option for many basic journeys in Auckland now, especially higher value work journeys. So I argue that Minto’s own example shows that cost of fares alone isn’t the first problem but the quality and utility of the system is.

      Fixing that problem is the more urgent issue, which requires funding from as many sources as possible, and fares not only provide a source for that but also are part, I would argue, of the social contract that enables acceptance of the remaining subsidy by non-users.

      So it seems that his phrase “Free and Frequent Public Transport” is more likely to mean in practice “Free or Frequent PT”. Very hard to see both happening at once. And i don’t think that a crappy but free system will actually help the people Minto is hoping to.

      But still a realistic and coherent fares policy from AT, however, is also urgent.

      I am glad someone is running on this platform as it is a very interesting idea, and perhaps targeted subsidies [other versions of the Gold Card for example] may be more likely to be a workable solution to transport poverty if for no other reason than they can avoid the pitfall of middle-class capture and that the cost would then fall where it should, in the national welfare budget.

      I agree that Transport Poverty is a less visible part of the problem of Housing Unaffordability and that they need to be understood as part of the same issue.

      1. A five-car family is quite possibly filled with people working multiple low-paying shift-based jobs where public transport is a long way from being viable. Even the improved network won’t have services that will work for people who need to travel for work in the small hours of the morning.

        1. Exactly. If they have 5 cars now, and we can create a city where they get along with 2, and, for the rest, can walk, cycle or use PT, they will have more money and a better life.

          Focusing on cycling, but works the same with PT:

          “A bikeway is a symbol that shows that a citizen on a $30 bicycle is equally important as a citizen in a $30,000 car.” Enrique Peñaloza, former Mayor of Bogota

      1. Great. I work near the Onehunga branch so will be keeping a close eye on proceedings. Any chance Kiwirail will be informing the public of the testing schedule?

        1. I would think they would keep it quiet and likely to carry at least initial testing at night to keep out of the way of commuter services

        2. One advantage of our lousy off-peak service schedule is that there’s plenty of empty time for the Onehunga-Newmarket section to be used for testing.

    1. All installed wires are deemed to be alive Gary – that doesn’t mean that they actually are alive at any given time. However, progressively more sections will be livened and remain so. It is therefore unwise to speculate what is currently live and what is not.

      Also, pre-livening testing can’t practically be done at night for safety reasons (it’s an extremely complex process, far more so than for electricity distribution) and due to resource requirements.

  2. “shortly before being trucked”

    Why trucked? Surely moving the thing via rail freight would demonstrate the benefits of that mode. And it is an ideal route since there isn’t any double handling at either end.

    1. I wondered that as well. Maybe caf want to be in charge of the whole commissioning process and that includes factory to depot. The Wellington units admittedly had a much shorter trip under the westpac but they were shunted shrink wrapped to the depot by rail. Maybe future units will not have to be trucked down the road once this one is tested

    2. The new EMUs have a type of coupler (Scharfenberg) that has not been used in NZ before. It incorporates brake air and electrical connections. I understand that the transition heads that allow an AAR coupler (those fitted to locomotives) to interface with the Scharfenbergs are not yet available i.e. there is no means to couple them up to a loco and no means to brake them. In order to transport the EMU cars by rail they would have to be loaded on a wagon or bridge 2 wagons and would then be over height

    3. I had assumed that they are not yet legal to run on the railway, even as passive trailers. So until testing is complete they can’t run on their own wheels, right?

      Also give that they are the longest carriages in the country, there isn’t any hope of putting them on a freight wagon?

      1. It is possible for a special load to straddle 2 wagons but from a height perspective the distance from rail head to the bottom of the wheel tread on the EMU (wagon deck height plus dunnage) would have to be less than the height from the roof of the EMU (when on rails) to the lowest catenary height to avoid fouling. Seems like a lot of hassle to prove a point.

        Later deliveries may be able to be transported on their own wheels.

      2. Correct Nick, and no – nothing can be put onto rail until fully tested, approved and commissioned (ie at/from the depot). They will be trucked to the depot and offloaded at a special siding.

    1. As of 11:06am Sunday they have a long transporter ready at the multi-cargo grid area about to load one of the EMU carriages on to it, so thats some progress.

        1. I’d expect that they will drive down to Wiri only during the dead of night. Remember these things are BIG. Even if they may not (?) require taking down streetlights, streetlights etc… to fit through, you still don’t want to transport these big suckers except at the absolute lowest traffic off-peak, i.e. early morning.

  3. Was a parent helper at a trip to MOTAT the other day and the kids were very excited by the new electric train on display there (probably third most popular activity after the mirror maze and working out the mysteries of a dial phone). They were even more excited when I told them that in a couple of years they would be able to ride on one.

  4. I really like the electric train effort but has anyone asked the question why we are actually not building the trains ourselves? Are so behind that we need to ship those heavy machinery halfway around the world?

    1. yes plenty of people have asked that question.

      And yes the reason the EMUs were not built here is because NZ has limited capabilities for building EMUs.

      And the reason we have limited capabilities for building EMUs is because there is little total demand for building EMUs in NZ and we’re a little island in the South Pacific a long way from most other places that want EMUs.

      And given that both Auckland and Wellington now have brand new EMU fleets there would seem to be little future demand for EMUs either, aside from perhaps the occasional tranche as Auckland’s operations scale up post-CRL.

      I for one are quite happy the EMUs have been built by CAF; they have an international reputation to protect and so should be relatively committed to delivering good kit. Fingers crossed.

    1. The old “NZ is small and we can’t do stuff except raise cows” argument, huh… well, of course learned helpnessness is quite real.

      We COULD have done it, and well – at least if we didn’t allow ourselves to cut corners. It wouldn’t have been cheaper than paying the Spaniards, possibly quite a bit more expensive, and would have needed lots of extra testing steps, as we don’t have the routine. But buildings EMU’s is not rocket since, and we have a few engineers and mechanics left who haven’t emigrated to Australia or UK in disgust. Of course, our current government was sceptical about the trains idea to start with. To give it to a unionised workforce in NZ, at higher prices, just to avoid the money going overseas – that wasn’t in their cards at all.

  5. What could’ve happened is like what happened with the Delhi metro I rode a couple of years ago. The first lot of trains were manufactured at the manufacturing company’s home base but as part of the contract the second lot had to be made in India under licence. So while India didn’t have the expertise to make the first lot they obviously had people go through the initial process and then with that knowledge did it themselves second time around.

    Just want to say that’s it’s fantastic to have the first of our new trains in NZ. Can’t wait to ride them!

  6. Hi Simon, that’s what we used to do. For example the ED Electric locos for Wellington, the first ED 101 was fully built up by English Electric, and took the drawings so literally that the “Speed Whisker” stripes were added in steel plate and rivetted on! We assembled the rest with EE electrical gear, and painted the stripes on. Way back when we built J and Ja Locos the debate was, we should do it here, or they are 10 percent cheaper built in Scotland. So we ended up with some of both, and no difference in the quality as far as I can tell. The new EMUs are highly computerised which could be a bugbear, and that means we will be in touch with the manufacturers for a very long time..
    In fact I think they, and the depot facilities are all on a long-term lease arrangement, is that right? So it is not just the machines, but the whole packagae, maintenance, upgrades etc that we are buying.
    Cheers!
    George

    1. There is a big difference between assembly and manufacture. Similarly we used to assemble vehicles here but we have never undertaken any significant manufacture of vehicles.

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