Nelson Street and Fanshawe Street are pretty horrific roads to try and cross as a pedestrian – largely due to the high speeds that drivers travel at along them. You’re effectively stuck at trying to find one of the (very rare) signalised pedestrian crossings, or taking your life into your own hands by sprinting across when it looks clear.

I’ve amusingly thought that one good way of raising enough money to build the City Rail Link would be to place permanent speed cameras near the top of Nelson Street and just after the Beaumont Street intersection for eastbound cars along Fanshawe Street. You’d certainly make an absolute killing!

One of the primary reasons why cars travel along these streets so quickly is because all the cues are telling drivers that they’re basically still on the motorway. Take a look at the road-markings on Fanshawe Street:Three wide lanes with the “bumpy dots” (I’m sure they have a technical name) separating them. Exactly what you’d see on the motorway.

As for signage, head along Fanshawe Street towards the city a bit more and – once again – you pretty much find the type of sign that you’d see on the motorway:Big overhead gantry, hard median between traffic heading each way, very wide lanes. Everything’s telling the driver’s subconscious that they’re still on the motorway.

Nelson Street is pretty similar with its signage, although it hasn’t (yet) had the motorway lane markings:Further down the hill there’s another overhead gantry – solely there to direct people to Sky City and its carpark. Once again, decked out just like a motorway sign.

Subtle cues are important when defining the type of street environment you’re attempting to create. The most recent post on Human Transit touches on this issue, when discussing street signage in San Francisco:

The motorist faces a stopsign. That means they should be looking at the crosswalk in front of them, and the other traffic approaching. What’s more, they should be stopped, or stopping, which means that their focal length should be short; they don’t need a sign that’s meant to be read at high speeds. Yet high speed is implied by the green sign’s large typesize, high position, and “freeway font”; the green sign has the same color, font, and typesize typically used on California freeways….

…Then there’s the question of focal height. A sign placed very high, like the green sign here, is pulling the driver’s eye away from the ground plane, which is where the squishable pedestrians and cyclists are. Extreme type size also encourages reading the sign from further away, which means focusing further away, which means a greater risk of not seeing the pedestrian in front of you.

In short, the message of the green sign (“read me from a distance, like you’re on a freeway, driving fast”) contradicts the message of the stopsign and crosswalks.

Motorists choose their speed and focal length based on a range of signals, not just explicit commands and prohibitions. These signs may be appropriate on high speed multi-lane streets, where you may need to change lanes to turn once you’ve recognized a cross-street. But what are they doing at stopsigns?

The signage and road-markings on Nelson Street and Fanshawe Street are telling drivers that they should be driving fast, that they’re basically on a defacto motorway and needn’t bother looking out for anything but whether the car in front of them is braking.

This is fine on a real motorway, but not along streets in our city centre. Changing the signs and the street markings would be really cheap, but help to minimise the reinforcement of these streets as defacto motorways, which they clearly shouldn’t be.

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  1. I actually missed one of those big ‘speed’ signs in a rural town a few years back because it was on a green background (and got a bloody big speeding ticket because of it!). I couldn’t understand how I missed it until I got back into town – look at all the advisory signs in town. None…not one is anything other than an information sign.
    Anyway, I digress. Yes you are right. The streets you speak of are pretty much highways. Chuck some Light rail (tram anyone? Maybe Fanshaw st would be a better route than a bridge over the water?) tracks in there and people would slow down just like in Melbourne.

  2. So urgent that we get these city streets back by two-waging them. I accidentally got caught in the evening rush last week and it was painfully clear how stupid the one way system is. I was heading to a building near the bottom of Hobson with a lot of equipment from Grey Lynn, so had to go right down to Fanshaw in order to head up Hobson, this put me along with many others clearly heading to the motorways south and west into counter flow with every car heading to the bridge. Total gridlock because the intersections werent clearing. Because of the one way system more cars than needs be had to head east I order to get up Hobson, if Hobson and Nelson were two wayed there would be no fewer lanes but the peak loads would be spread across both streets and crazy loops would no longer be required. Ok there would be some switching to get to the desired on ramp, but that would be spread across the length of the roads.

    And of course they would not be vile defacto motorways. And those NZTA signs are appalling and send all the wong signals as well as defacing the city.

  3. Great suggestions. No doubt the Herald would be up in arms about such a revenue gathering plan…and the money from speed cameras goes to central government.

    Another easy win in Hobson and Nelson would be to remove the clearway restrictions, effectively narrowing the road by 2 lanes at peak times.

  4. If I am honest I think these streets are “lost” to cars for the moment. Agree Fanshawe in particular is OTT though, however: It would be great if once you get off these main roads (i.e. Fanshawe, Hobson, Nelson, Customs I am talking about), the city centre roads are all very distinct so that the driver thinks – “I am on a CBD street, pedestrians are dominant here”. So I guess my thought is – rather than trying to make Fanshawe marginally more livable (not that thats a bad idea in itself), start at the core (i.e. Queen St) and work outwards so that there is a distinct zone created. That zone can then be expanded outwards in time.

  5. Just checking on the “current plan” for 2 waying Hobson and Nelson-

    Is North of Cook St still the plan? i.e leaving Pitt to Cook motorway-ish?

    1. I think the idea is to eventually two-way all of both streets. However, this could be done in stages, starting at the northern end and working southwards.

  6. You’re absolutely right – Fanshawe Street in particular should be de-tuned. Take out a lane in each direction and put in a nice grassed median with trees, i.e. make them into boulevards.

    1. Spanner in the works of that might might be the decision to consider not reopening Wellington Street onramp. Presumably that puts more traffic pressure onto Fanshawe Street.

  7. Stu- Fanshawe is in one of the million Plans as an East-West stitch or “green Belt” or something catchy.

    I’ll see what their plans look like from the pics.

    Admin- Is there a way of re-opening Wellington St ramp without that horrible K-Rd- Howe Street- crazy right turn scenario developing again?

  8. CC Master Plan p88

    Fanshawe St becomes 2 lanes each way with the median becoming double track tram lines and a tram spur to Wynyard.

    They haven’t shown the line to College Hill in this picture 😉

  9. Until some serious money is throwing at improving these streets simple tinkering won’t really improve the situation much. However, I do think the removal of those gantries, the installation of red-light and speed cameras at multiple locations (especially directly at the exit and entrance to the motorway), as well as the installation of more signalised pedestrian crossings would be a good start. If they started ticketing people for crossing the intersection when there’s not space on the other side it would also be a nice start. As a predestrian crossing these roads was a nightmare as despite having a green cross signal cars continued to zoom through the red light meaning you really have to have your wits about you.

    I’m also tempted to say agree with comments above that we should rather aim to slowly tame the rest of the downtown area with further shared spaces such that when we really do tackle Nelson and Hobson we have the political will to be really quite brutal in restricting car movements – until we do that we’re simply going to spend a lot of money to have a pretty similar situation to what we have now.

    1. Well the great problem is the the two-waying cannot happen without NZTA’s help and agreement as the on and off ramps will need a bit of a rebuild. And what do they or the Minister care about the quality of life on Auckland’s streets? And NZTA’s budgets are stretched by the mad RoNS frenzy so this ain’t happening until moderation breaks out in Wellington. Here: http://greaterakl.wpengine.com/2011/04/05/humanising-nelson-hobson-streets-progressing/

      As for Fanshaw St [well and HobNel] the real problem is the quantity of cars [sorry for stating the obvious] and until real alternatives to car commuting are built, as well as other other disincentives are developed especially around the cost and provision of parking this problem will only get worse. There is huge development potential on the failed Rubarb Lane site and in fact all over the hillside down to Vic Park and there will be nothing but more gridlock no matter how these streets are organsied.

      Especially if the new North Shore Ninny get’s her way and NZTA try to dump another umpteen lanes of general traffic down at this end of town. In fact I’ll go so far as to say that additional road crossing is practically impossible, unless it is simply designed as a siphon for through traffic and has absolutely no city exists and entrances….. But still unjustifiable on cost benefit. Here: http://greaterakl.wpengine.com/2011/09/22/looking-closer-at-the-harbour-crossing-proposal/

      So what to do? Clearly the total reverse of Maggie breath-through-your-nose Barry’s advice: We need to build the complementary non-road transit The CRL to help ease Hobson/Nelson and rail to Shore to help get Fanshaw viable. Here: http://greaterakl.wpengine.com/2011/10/14/how-to-connect-up-north-shore-rail/

  10. I cross Fanshawe St twice every day without any problem or drama – just walk facing the traffic until there is a gap, cross to the middle, repeat the process. Never have to wait more than 30 seconds, unless you’re silly enough to use the light-controlled crossing – minimum 2 minute wait per side!

    The “green wave” down Nelson does seem to be phased for 60-70 kmh!

  11. Two waying Hobson/Nelson will screw things up considerably for cars and buses trying to get into the city. It means more phases at intersections which means more dead time which means far less capacity. Unless there is the intention to turn the streets into carparks in the peaks. Alternatives to getting people into the city need to come first before reducing capacity elsewhere.

    1. Hardly any buses use Hobson St and those that do should very redirected to Vincent St. Which means that all that would happen is a disincentive for people to drive to the CBD. And I can’t see a problem with that.

      1. And that’s assuming it does reduce capacity. I’m not convinced that it wouldn’t improve things by splitting inbound and outbound traffic. Only Hobson gets congested, Nelson is usually dead empty – wasted capacity.

  12. Also the shifting of the choke points on the motorway system through continual lane additions has a ripple effect on the local roads that then have to weather more intense saturations of traffic. So the net effect of all this spending is not to relieve congestion but to recreate it in different places and at different scales. And you have to ask if NZTA is really only concerned about the performance of its assets: ie what does it matter about Auckland’s city streets so long as the motorway itself mostly flows freely….?

    The appearance of these signs on local roads is a sign of the hegemony of the highway industry over the city. Of NZTA and MoT over Auckland Transport and Auckland City Council. Of centralised power over local power:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10770953

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