When I think of the Sylvia Park shopping centre in Auckland, from a transport perspective, it seems to tick a lot more boxes than many other shopping centres around Auckland (particularly St Lukes). The primary reason for this is that Sylvia Park has a train station right next to it – a station that seems fairly popular, especially on weekends. An interesting research piece into the integration of land-use and transport at Sylvia Park delves a bit deeper into analysing the effectiveness of the various transport modes accessing the mall. A lot of the research article focuses on things like parking policies – pointing out the absolutely giant cost of building carparks – but it also provides some useful figures for further analysis when it comes to malls.

Starting off by looking at the mode-split for people accessing Sylvia Park, the figures for public transport are actually surprisingly low: What really stands out here is how low the mode share for buses is. From memory St Lukes – hardly a model of a public transport friendly mall – attracts between 5 and 10% of its visitors by bus.

I’ve often had debates with people over whether we really should be focusing on improving PT modeshare to shopping centres or not. The argument that is most often presented against focusing too much on shopping centres is that they seem particularly difficult ‘nuts to crack’. In fact, the decision on the St Lukes plan change made particular reference to the difficulty of attracting people to shopping centres via public transport:

While the reference to Sylvia Park is interesting, given the context of this post, what I think is most revealing is the “second” reason traffic issues were a major consideration – the assumption of the commissioners that public transport by nature is unlikely to be attractive to shoppers.

Strange how the same rule doesn’t seem to apply to Australian malls – particularly a series of shopping centres in Brisbane that the Sylvia Park study examined: The article explains that the Brisbane shopping centres tend to act as sub-regional hubs for the bus network – much in the same way as happens around New Lynn (and it would be interesting to see a modeshare for Lynn Mall shoppers). It seems to me that while Sylvia Park is doing reasonably well in terms of having a train station next to it, a lot of that good work has been completely undone by having it so poorly served by buses.

To make matters worse, the layout of Sylvia Park means that it’s pretty difficult to serve the centre well with buses. There’s an obvious north-south corridor serving the centre along Mt Wellington Highway – so why is the mall set back hugely from the highway creating a barren pedestrian wasteland between the bus route and the shopping centre (which forces buses to waste huge amounts of time by diving into the carpark). In terms of serving east-west flows, why doesn’t the road-bridge from Carbine Road connect all the way through to Mt Wellington Highway? This would allow east-west bus flows and could potentially create a fairly nice street for shops to line (general traffic may have to be excluded from through-movements to ensure it’s not a massive rat-run, but that’s easy enough).

What we really needed is shown in the map below (in terms of the two obvious bus routes to pass through the area):

Interestingly, a table in the research article shows that improving buses would be one of the most cost-efficient ways of the mall attracting more customers, largely because its capital costs and operating costs are pretty damn low compared to other modes . It’s pretty incredible that over $136 million was spent on  spending related to getting cars in and out of the mall. If we compare the costs with the revenue generated per user, we find that buses actually have a vastly higher “revenue cost ratio” than any other mode: So if I’m to go back to the original question of whether Sylvia Park is a public transport success story or a missed opportunity I would probably lean towards the latter: simply because its bus services are so terrible and its design makes improving bus services pretty damn difficult. While the train station is certainly good (and really every shopping mall should have to be within 400m of a rapid transit station, it’s just logical) it can distract us from how poorly served the mall is in other ways.

Interestingly though, it seems that the biggest loser out of this has been Sylvia Park itself. Because it’s so poorly served by bus-based public transport and because it was designed in such a way as to make it almost impossible for buses to serve the place well, the developers of the shopping centre had to spend an incredibly huge amount of money on making it easy for cars to get in and out of the place – most obviously through providing an insanely massive number of parking spaces. I guess this is why I can never understand shopping centres not being huge fans of efforts to improve public transport infrastructure to encourage more of their shoppers to arrive on the bus, rather than to have to build them an incredibly expensive parking space. Overseas cities get it, why don’t we?

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  1. Much improved bus access is actually in the planning. A few reports have been given to the Maungakiekie Tamaki Local Board on the matter, and looks like its going to happen in the next year, Involves bus lanes on Mt Wellington highway, and then a terminal within Syliva Park. Cant find the document that I read earlier this year, but Page 9 of the February 2011 agenda outlines what is to happen.
    http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/SiteCollectionDocuments/mtfinagda15022011.pdf

    Of course its ridiculous that this didn’t happen as part of the original proposal, lots of PR about the train station, but if you look at the catchment buses needed to be the real focus.

    While googling for the above document came across a very interesting list of all of Auckland Transports major expenditure planned from 2010/2011 to 2012/2013. Most roading spend seems to be on NORSGA (Massey) or in realtion to Motorway upgrades, like big upgrades of many local roads between Henderson and Massey.
    http://www.aucklandtransport.govt.nz/improving-transport/plans-proposals/IntegratedTravel/Documents/AT-Guidelines-Major-Projects-List.pdf

  2. One thing shopping malls don’t seem to have is anywhere for you to leave things, eg temporary storage lockers. As someone who travels to malls by PT it is annoying, because while I can carry quite a lot if I’m walking to PT or from PT home I don’t want to be carrying several bags into multiple stores and if I do I can’t pick up items without first putting all my other bags down. If you take a car you can drop purchases mid-visit back to your car and then continue shopping.

  3. LynnMall came up with a good solution to this last year during Christmas – free home delivery for PT users. I wonder how successful it was?

  4. Bit of an ego boost for Brisbane in there 😛

    Buses in Brisbane will tend to head to the main shopping centre and then continue to the city. I’ve heard a lot locally that “brisbane is not the right geography for feeder and transfer based system” which I think is utter nonsense given that we have these very large suburban shopping centres which could in the future act as major interchanges on such a transfer-based network.

    Canberra also has interesting interchanges based out at Woden, Tuggeranong and Belconnen. In all cases they are quite big and busy.

    1. “brisbane is not the right geography for feeder and transfer based system”
      That sounds familiar. So if Brisbane (on a wide flat plain, similar to London) and Auckland (constrained by water like New York) do not have suitable geography for feeder and transfer based systems then I wonder what cities do?

      1. Its amazing the stuff people come up with to justify the status quo.

        I notice that the bus routes are included in the spreadsheet above showing that there are “only” 4 bus routes into Sylvia park as compared to Brisbane’s shopping centres. BE VERY CAREFUL with how you interpret this. Quantity does not equal Quality!
        There are over 200 bus routes in Brisbane, the bus system is an utter mess and has BRISBANE HAS MORE BUS ROUTES THAN TORONTO, CANADA , a city with approximately 4x the population!

        http://brisurbane.wordpress.com/2011/04/24/canada-transit-special-brisbane-runs-more-bus-routes-than-toronto/

        1. Those four bus routes that run past Sylvia Park probably only have about 40 services a day between them, and that’s being generous and optimistic.

  5. That property to the right of Sylvia Park train station is prime territory for a bus interchange and / or park and ride. Botany and Pakuranga bus services could feed into it. All the focus for AMETI is on Panmure, but I think Sylvia Park has a lot of potential given it’s proximity to the Pakuranga motorway bridge, which is higher capacity than the Panmure bridge. That property was for sale the last time I looked as well.

  6. So essentially over $34,000 per car park – talk about a gigantic subsidy towards motoring! *sigh*

    1. Yes I had heard that but I don’t know if they have approval yet. I remember hearing the sticking point was that they don’t plan to add any more carparks to the development as they believe they have enough already. They were using the argument that the site already has enough parks for peak shopping season and the times when the office buildings would be being used (during the week) the carparking wouldn’t be at capacity so there was no need to add more (plus there was the train station there). KIPT seem to definitely see the financial benefit of not having to provide limitless carparks which is nice for a change.

  7. Is there any reason a route couldn’t just pass around the road to the south of the mall? There are already bus stops basically under the South eastern Highway and it could then head out to Mt Wellington Highway.

  8. The article explains that the Brisbane shopping centres tend to act as sub-regional hubs for the bus network – much in the same way as happens around New Lynn

    I see what you’re trying to say… but it falls short of describing the reality of these Australian malls (at least the ones I’ve been to).

    Rather than the New Lynn centre, where the bus station is beside the mall, in Australia the bus station (and train stations too) is actually integrated into the mall. You stay inside, or under shelter, and an escalator takes you from the bus station into the mall proper. You’re not a second class citizen, by any means. However, because bus and (to a lesser extent) train users in NZ are still considered lesser people (poorer, using the long winding bus only because it goes near to their house and they can’t afford a car), you end up with bus and train stations alienated from the centre design. Even Sylvia Park’s train station isn’t properly integrated into the complex. BrisUrban mentions Canberra, but its urban architecture and public transport system is probably the worst in Australia. Bus interchanges add little to its shopping centres and districts.

    Incidentally, I was at Sylvia Park yesterday. I drove, because taking a train would have also meant walking to a bus-stop, waiting (and coordinating with the once-hourly bus), walking to the train, waiting, paying a second fare, riding in a train, and then doing all the same on the way back. At least an hour either way, compared to 10 or so minutes drive in a car, and an expense more than car plus depreciation and maintenance. Bringing on integrated ticketing and coordinated timetables, and it might again be an option.

    And totally agree that the new Auckland Council should look at developing this as a centre for offices and other development. It has a lot of advantages, not least a great train connection.

    1. George you’re so right. The ‘integration’ of rail at SP is so disappointing, and New Lynn is road mania. But still it is clear that Kiwi IPT is by far the most sophisticated of the big mall owners. Westfield are hopeless dinosaurs, and deserve all that is coming to them as driving becomes less viable this century.

      Hopefully they can develop the office park with no more car spaces, why should the city oppose this? makes no sense. And it’s great to hear that KIPT are putting effort into sorting buses into SP. Also I like Cam’s idea to facilitate it as transfer hub as well as Panmure

      1. Well, they couldn’t really reroute the rail line to run through the middle of their site! And with the exception of about 50m, the access to and from the train station is under cover and reasonably nice.

        1. Surely there could have been a direct link from the pedestrian bridge over the railway line that accesses the station into the shopping centre on its second level?

        2. Im surprised that the overpass was not extended across the road as well as the tracks. A staircase could then run towards the mall, significantly reducing walking distance to the mall.

          Hopefully the new integrated ticketing system will allow malls to subsidies PT fares for shoppers. A couple of places In Hong Kong did this.

        3. This needs to happen at Henderson as well where the overbridge dumps people on the opposite side of the road to the mall, whats worse is the only way into the mall from the station is in through a pretty horid car park entrance that doesn’t feel very inviting at all.

      1. A lot of ‘city centre’ type development initiatives in Auckland have failed, for a number of reasons. I think of Manukau, and how after 35 years or so it still hasn’t really formed itself. However, Auckland is no longer dispersing quite so rapidly, and it does make sense to have places for business to concentrate. If these places integrate transport, a variety of work and business types, and attractive human scale public space, then I don’t see why not. I also think Albany and Botany are candidates for intensification of this type (obviously both need MRT connections and other improvements to make this work properly).

        This isn’t to say that Sylvia Park is necessarily one, but I don’t think it should be ruled out.

      2. Well, of course we want to support the CBD with the rail tunnel. But there’s also something to be said for office development in hubs that are just a bit more spread out than the 4 sites you mention, Josh. We don’t want our office workers to have to drive/bus halfway across town to get to work either!

        1. Though does the dispersal of employment lead to shorter or longer trips to work? Perhaps shorter in general, though chances are employment in more dispersed areas is more auto-dependent on vast scales of magnitude than employment in areas like the CBD or Newmarket.

        2. It depends. If you happen to get a job close to where you live then journeys are shorter. However I know a lot of people who are forced into long crosstown commutes, this is for a variety of reasons. People who argue for decentralisation would argue that they should either move closer to work or get another job closer to where they live. This is more difficult than they think. Your family are often settled into an area. You may own a house and be unable to afford to buy closer to work. Your children may be in school and moving across town could be disruptive to their education. You may belong to organisations and clubs close to where you live. Reasons for staying put could even be as irrational as simply liking the area or disliking where you live. There are a lot of jobs in South Auckland, however I would never want to live there so far away from the city centre with its endless supply of bars, restaurants, cafes etc… That leaves getting a job closer to where you live. This is problematic for many people as well. There may not be a job in their field close to where they live. They may like the company they work for. They may be unwilling to leave friends behind. The money may simply be better at a job that happens to be further away. Or you may simply have a fear of changing.
          All up. I don’t believe that decentralising jobs will neccessarily have any effect on reducing commuting times. I think people who advocate it are thinking too rationally. Human beings are not entirely rational and will often make decisions based on emotion rather than logic. The argument for decentralisation of jobs relies too heavily on the idea that humans are rational agents.

        3. Exactly, and that’s why the most successful cities in the world have intensified centres. It’s what cities are for, so we can be close to each other, to argue for a more defused and decentralised shape for Auckland is to want a less successful and productive city.

          But if KIPT want to intensify SP probably the best we can do is make them spend their transport spend on bus and rail integration instead of more carparks, not a terrible outcome. The best way to stimulate new commercial investment in the CBD, and I agree that’s the best place for it, is to fix the horribly stunted accessibility by building the CRL and bus privilege and interchange stations, the market will take care of the rest.

  9. Sylvia Park is not the place to build offices like this, this should be built next to existing town centres to ensure they stay vibrant.
    Dont need to force them into the CBD, but they should be around existing town centres that are transit exchanges.
    Should be at Manukau, Panmure, Onehunga, New Lynn or Otahuhu.

    1. Sylvia Park’s impact on Panmure has been quite depressing actually. Somewhat similar to what St Lukes has done to Balmoral and Mt Albert shops.

  10. I think the Sylvia Park’s Mt Wellington Hwy side is the best place to develop as a business park. As everyone says in this forum it’s got the PT hub status because of the popular rail link and bus stops. It also has got enough car parks for peak times/weak days to accommodate both shopping and office worker traffic.
    IMPORTANT: You also have to remember that the busiest time for shopping malls are public holidays where no regular office worker traffic is expected.

  11. The old CourierPost building at 43 Carbine Rd would make an excellent park ‘n ride site and could provide a whole new market for Sylvia Park train station which currently only serves customers from the shopping mall side.

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