There was a very interesting question and answer session in parliament today on how the Auckland local government elections may affect transport priorities.

A transcript of the discussion can be read here.

There are a number of matters that are interesting to comment on here. But first things first, I think it’s great that such a discussion is going on at the moment. It’s fantastic that there is open debate on whether rail projects should have access to funding from the NLTF (the pool of money that NZTA is funded from). It’s also fantastic to see a big debate over whether the CBD Rail Tunnel or the Puhoi-Wellsford “holiday highway” is the best way to spend the $1.5 billion that both projects appear to cost.

A few matters caught my attention in the parliamentary exchange, and require a bit of further investigation. For a start, it’s interesting to note the emphasis that has gone into “the government is spending $5 billion on transport in Auckland”. I really wonder what that includes, how far it stretches back and how far into the future it stretches forwards. Looking at the the $1.6 billion on rail projects, this is comprised of $600 million on Project DART, $500 million on the infrastructure that accompanies electrification and another $500 million on electric trains. So yes, that all does add up to $1.6 billion.

But is this government really spending that money on rail in Auckland? A closer look makes me consider perhaps not. The $600 million for Project DART is for a project that began in around 2006 and it about 95% complete now (with only the Manukau Rail Link to go). The project was funded to the tune of $600 million in the 2006 budget. So sure, this government has spent the remainder of the budgeted Project DART money over the past couple of years rolling out and completing a project that was approved and had funds set aside for it a long time ago – but that hasn’t exactly been a difficult task as the money was already there.

If we look at electrification, it is very true that the government canned the regional fuel tax, and we are getting electrification without the fuel tax. Yet once again, I think it’s a bit of a misnomer to say that it’s money they have set aside. As I noted above, there are two components of the electrification project: the infrastructure works and the trains themselves. Each half of the project costs approximately $500 million. The $500 million for the infrastructure side of the project was budgeted for in the 2007 budget, while the other half of the funding has been paid for by the government now – but there remains a huge question mark over whether Auckland’s ratepayers will have to end up paying for anyway in the longer term (as the government only lent KiwiRail the money for the trains, not actually funded them).

So I do think the government is being a little bit disingenuous when it comes to saying that they are spending $1.6 billion on improving Auckland’s rail system. In fact, they’re spending money allocated by a previous government, or money that Aucklanders had previously agreed to pay via the regional fuel tax.

Another part of the discussion above that caught my attention was when Steven Joyce said this answer:

Dr Russel Norman: Why is he taking taxes from Aucklanders and spending them on motorway projects that Aucklanders do not prioritise, rather than spending those taxes on the transport projects, particularly rail, that Aucklanders have said over and over again that they see as the main priorities for their city in order to reduce congestion in Auckland?

Hon STEVEN JOYCE: The other thing I should point out is that the National Land Transport Fund, and the road taxes and road-user charges that are used to create that fund, are hypothecated for road users. That was set up by the previous Government, which that member was a part of. So that funding is for the benefit of road users

While it is definitely true that the previous government set up full hypothecation of money from road users to be spent on transport, it’s my understanding that this definition of transport also included rail projects. In fact, if you look at the May 2009 Government Policy Statement for transport (the document that specifically states that petrol tax dollars can’t be spent on rail), you come across the following in the foreword – written by Steven Joyce himself:

The fact that the $258 million proposed to be spent on Wellington’s rail system was coming out of the National Land Transport Fund prior to the May 2009 GPS suggests that actually it was quite possible for the NLTF to fund rail even after the previous government set up hypothecation of road user fees into the NLTF (this basically means that petrol taxes, RUCs etc. go directly into a specialist transport fund rather than into the government’s general slush fund). So Joyce is actually incorrect when he says that the current system – where the Puhoi-Wellsford holiday highway can be funded by NZTA but the CBD Rail Tunnel cannot – was set up by anyone other than himself.

Now this is not to say at all that the previous government did much of a good job when it came to transport matters (at least not until the very end of their third term), but they did end up funding Project DART, they did allow NLTF funds to be spent on rail, they did set in place a funding mechanism for rail electrification.

I’m still waiting for this government’s first new public transport project in Auckland to be announced.

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  1. Is just me, or did reading the transcript make anyone else feel like Steven Joyce is a complete (Excuse my French) Pr1ck? whoops I mean a politician?

  2. He is also wrong about the Puhoi-Wellsford being an inter regional project. The entire project is within the auckland region. Wellsford is well south of the Northland region. I thought minister would know that, it being his “pet” project and all.

    1. It’s primarily part of a link between Northland and Auckland regions, where it then links up with the rest of the country. Most of the benefits come from regional development in Northland, where unemployment has traditionally been much higher than in the rest of the country even given their proximity to Auckland. Auckland doesn’t get a veto on transport between Northland and the rest of the country just because that transport has to transit Auckland. Which is a principle that holds true for other regions… the Waikato can’t throw up a toll gate across SH1 and charge Aucklanders a fortune if they want to go on holiday or resupply the city with food.

      Much of the discussion is very Auckland-centric… Even the “Holiday Highway” tag really only makes sense from an Auckland POV, unless Northlanders are queuing up to holiday in Auckland. Saying that you want to strip funding from the rest of the country to use for local Auckland transport just isn’t going to be a winning argument, no matter how many times Norman asks Joyce to do it. He had to be told three times that Puhoi to Wellsford was part of an inter-regional scheme before he finally got it.

      The Government are playing fairly smart politics on this. Brown’s campaign seemed to be to promise everything, including several rail projects totaling at least $6billion (if you believe the ridiculously low estimates for rail to Albany) AND completion of all the planned Auckland motorway projects. But without (as far as I can see) saying how he was going to pay for any of it, except an implied idea that someone else would pick up the bill. Everyone loves free stuff… It is an obvious vote winner. With the Government pushing the bulk of the bill back on to Auckland, people will have to start taking a closer look at cost versus benefit. If I were the Government I wouldn’t want the cost placed on rates since the Government is far and away the biggest landlord in Auckland. I’d let Brown ask for the fuel tax to be re-instated, then go to the next national and local elections with petrol 20, 30, or 40cents higher than anywhere else in the country. I’m guessing that Aucklanders will like that about as much as they like their politicians getting boozed and pissing against trees.

      Polls say everyone likes the idea of rail to the airport. We know that will cost about $1,500 per resident. Will the polls give a different result if people were asked if it was a priority AND their family-of-four’s contribution to the rail link would be $6,000? I suspect the project would lose much of its support on that basis, and any politician who had tried to actually levy that amount of money would be joining Williams on the dole queue.

      1. “the Pohoi to Wellsford motorway is in fact a a multi-regional project between Northland and Auckland, it is not just an auckland project”

        I think this statement is still deceptive. The road is to be built between Pohoi (a town in auckland) and Wellsford (a town in auckland).

        It will not help people get from Northland to auckland, only to help them travel from the auckland outskirts to the center of Auckland faster/safer once they have used other roads to enter the region.

        Your argument could equally be applied to the harbor bridge.

        I live in auckland so, yes there will be an auckland focus.

        1. Scott… That is like arguing that the Waikato Expressway isn’t an inter-regional road that will join Auckland up to the rest of the North island, but a large dual carriageway designed to speed Waikato residents from Hamilton to Bombay. Because the start and end points are both in the Waikato, obviously.

          So… Should residents of Hamilton argue that the Expressway is just a “Ski Superhighway” that will speed Aucklanders to Ruapehu and back and propose that it should be scrapped in favour of a motorway between Hamilton and where ever they want to go, like the nearest Waikato beach?

          Or, if you’re opposed to the very idea of long distance roads joining up cities and regions all over NZ… Should the residents of the Waikato be able to scrap the NIMT railway through the Waikato and replace it with a light rail system for Hamilton commuters?

      2. That’s bollocks Obi, Aucklanders don’t want to strip money from the rest of the country, we want our fuel taxes to spend on the projects we want, our money shouldn’t go down to Wellington for their approval on how we spend it…

        1. I agree with you there. But there is a difference between national transport links that are built and maintained by central government and local transport links that should be built and maintained by councils. The residents of, say, the Manawatu shouldn’t have to pay for the infrastructure to join up Auckland and Wellington. Neither should they have a veto over Auckland to Wellington transport.

          I think the disagreement here is that I see Puhoi to Wellsford as part of a national route that should be built by central government IF they want it. It would duplicate an existing central government maintained SH, and in my mind it is clearly intended to link Northland up to Auckland and the rest of the North Island (and the fact that the route is entirely within Auckland boundaries is irrelevant to that intention). Others see it as Aucklander-only infrastructure intended for holiday use, and therefore scrapable if Aucklanders want the money for something else.

        2. I agree that that is the intention of Puhoi to Wellsford – to link Northland and Auckland, the question is whether it is the best solution to the problem and in my humble opinion absolutely not… Operation Lifesaver as it’s known is…

  3. Russell Norman part of the previous government? Never thought the Greens-Labour agreement constituted being in government. NZ First specifically stated taht teh Greens could hold executive positions. More Joyce BS.

  4. What did Russel say in response to Joyce? Did he point out the error or let it slip? If the latter then that’s pretty bad form on his part.

    1. He pulled up a point of order to say that he wasn’t part of the previous government. It really needed someone “in the know” from Labour to pull Joyce up on it.

      1. Have to say i was not happy with Speaker, Dr The Rt Hon Lockwood Smith. For the Minister to lie like that is not right, yet the speaker said “There are other ways of raising that. If the member wishes to make a personal explanation, he can do that, but he cannot question whether the Minister is right or wrong. He cannot question the Minister’s answer by way of a point of order.” What i crazy system we have!. For the record, he was only a member of the House of Representatives from June/July until the election in 2008!

  5. Obi – I thought that in his campaign, Brown was clear on how he thought PT projects should be funded (without going into the next level of detail or the ratio to be implemented): central government funding, infrastructure bonds issued by the Council and public-private partnership ventures.

    And that’s one of the encouraging things thats come out over the last day or two – John Key says central government can’t fund it in full but understands they will need to fund their “fare share” and Brown obviously recognises its futile to go cap in hand to Wellington without showing you have amassed a few funds yourself first to start things off.

    All they need to do now is meet in the middle and its all go.

    1. Bonds and public-private partnerships don’t solve the funding issue. They essentially borrow the up front money in favour of indefinite (or long term) interest payments. Has Brown said where the interest will come from? Because you can be sure only a small proportion will come from ticket sales.

      Altho it IS nice to see public-private ventures mentioned when Brown is otherwise opposed to private control of infrastructure.

      1. The idea of bonds is for the benficiaries of the infrastructure (i.e. users and residents of the city) to pay off the construction costs over the lifetime of the infrastructure. The concept is improved infrastructure leads to a better functioning economy and greater wealth, so it basically pays for itself in the long run.

  6. I might be missing the point here, but why is the government willing to pay for adding additional lanes at Newmarket Viaduct (southern motorway), Victoria Park tunnel, Waterview Connection, etc. But they are not prepared to spend the money on PT, which has the same effect on motorways? As mentioned before increasing capacity on motorways only has a limited benefit, once the capacity is there the more people use it and it gets clogged up again. PT has the opposite effect, since the efficiency of the motorways actually increases.

    I understand that there is an on-going operational cost for the use of PT, but the more lines we have the more people will move to PT. So fewer cars on the motorways can only be good.

  7. there is actually an ongoing operational cost (several actually) to more roads as well. The most obvious being the need for increased funds for road maintenance.

  8. 2 tings bug me about the Government response at the moment and its being echoed by Joyce and English.

    1. $1.6 Billion Investment in Auckland Rail is false as some of that is a loan that needs to be paid back.

    2. Is the Puhoi-Wellsfor Holiday Highway part of Auckland or not. If its not then stop including it in the $5 Billion of investment into the Auckland region that is quoted all the time. If it is then why cant the people of Auckland say its not a priority and that Rail projects should come first.

      1. They will never complete the motorway network. There isn’t actually one particular plan they are working to, and as long as they keep opening new sections and widening others bottlenecks will move around and they will want to build more motorway to try and fix it.

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