There’s been quite a bit of news in the last week or so about council CCO, Regional Facilities Auckland (RFA) and theirĀ stadium strategy. RFAĀ is the body who manage most of Auckland’s stadiums and other facilities such asĀ the Art Gallery, the ZooĀ andĀ MOTAT.
The strategy is trying to address the fact that Auckland has three major stadiumsĀ –Ā Eden Park, Mt Smart and North Harbour (QBE Stadium)Ā – all of which are underutilised and face financial pressures as a result. Mt Smart and QBE Stadium are also owned by the council meaning any shortfalls as a result of those financial pressures directly affect ratepayers. In summary the strategy is
- The Warriors would have to move from Mt Smart to QBE stadium which would basically become the default venue ofĀ most small to medium sized games for the rectangle field codes
- Move Cricket from Eden Park to Western Springs
- Speedway would move from Western Springs to Mt Smart
- Eden Park would basically only be be used for large sporting events such as rugby tests or shorter format cricket international tests. Technically Eden Park won’t come under the Stadium Strategy due to the ownership situation
Most of the noise about the strategy of late has revolved around the Warriors being forced out of Mt Smart when their current contract expires in 2018. I personally think that moving the Warriors to QBE stadiumĀ is a bad decision and if the information from the club about the process isĀ true, it paints RFA’s approachĀ in very bad light.
But what I want to talk about is a part of the discussion that hasn’t really been discussed, how the strategy affects transport.
Firstly QBE stadium. Put simply, it’s a real pain to get to, as being right on the northern edge of the urban area it means almost everyone converges on it from the south in one of two directions, Albany Highway or SH1 (via Albany Expressway or Oteha Valley Rd). To make matters worse all approach roadsĀ converge on and are affected by a single intersection. At times of events, especially large ones, this generally means traffic chaos which is further multiplied by people searching for parking. This is something I experienced first hand during the Rugby World Cup where I remember it took what felt like close to an hour either side of the game to move a few km’s.Ā Let’s not forget that in the case of the Warriors, many fans come from well south of the harbour and as such a move to Albany would see them having to travel much further to attend games.
Unfortunately PT options aren’t any better. The AlbanyĀ Busway station is over 1km away through a currently barren landscape and even during the RWC when PT use was heavilyĀ encouraged and a lot of special services put on, only around 30% of people used it. As a comparison for large events at Eden Park sometimes over 50% will arrive using PT (although much less for someĀ games). All of this is important as the council have set a target of doubling the number of PT trips from 70 million to 140 million by 2022 and special events have potentially a large role in helping to achieve that.
Overall it seems like moving all smaller games to QBE is likely to mean very little opportunities for any real change in travel habits. This is a shame as it seems that events provide one of the better opportunities to get people who don’t normally use PT to try it.
Before we start getting comments about the Waterfront Stadium the former government suggested for the RWC, it’s perhaps worth pointing out that it too would likely have suffered from some of the issue of being too big for most games. Also sorting out the issues surroundingĀ too many stadiums is one of the reasons why RFA exists in the first place.
The chairman of RFA has got a road named after him just around the qbe stadium…
Test cricket at Western Springs sounds great, but otherwise agree QBE is in a crap spot for transport. Mt Smart isn’t perfect either though.
Monorail from bus station to stadium? Seriously though I suspect the suggestion of the Warriors at QBE is a negotiating stance to get them to play at Eden Park.
Bus from bus station to stadium?
This is probably complete heresy, but if there are too many stadiums, why not knock one down and earmark the ‘money saved for better PT access to the other venues?
Absolutely agree. QBE is a white elephant and should be knocked down. Build apartments and a commercial hub there. It is only 1km from the Albany station and once the busway is extended there it will be a good PT option.
I think Mt Smart is a pretty good PT option, especially post-CRL. Eden Park is too big for the smaller game and kills all atmosphere.
It was amazing in Chch how much people liked the smaller Addington stadium. It just felt so much more intimate and the atmosphere was great even with only 10,000. Mt Eden is a cavernous wasteland devoid of atmosphere except for the odd game where you get 30,000+.
I actually wonder whether it is time for NZ to go down the European route and have Eden Park as the default stadium for all big sporting events. The provincial cities could then concentrate on smaller stadiums and have the odd game with a smaller crowd – like the recent Argentina game in Napier that was such a success.
Better to have 50,000 at Eden Park for NZ v SA in Rugby than maybe 30,000 in Dunedin. And I say this as a rugby fanatic from Canterbury.
I agree with removing QBE, any suggestion we need to keep all our stadiums is simply falling for the sunken cost fallacy.
Is there any reason Waikaraka Park couldn’t take on the speedway events currently held at Western Springs given its location in a commercial area limiting noise concerns.
Problem with that plan goose is that you can’t sell or develop the land in practice, so there is no gain to scrapping it.
Albany is awash with unsold and undeveloped land, why would you demolish the stadium for apartments where there is hectares of empty land around it to build in first?
I agree it’s a dog, but the option is just to mothball and leave it there.
I’m not aware of any developers trying to build residential units within Albany, only autocentric retail. Perhaps having the council lead the way could improve the out look for one of our major Metropolitan centers. They wouldn’t even have to demolish the stadium anytime soon, once mothballed, apartments could be built where the southern car park is which already has bus stops right out side.
Nobody is trying to build anything much in Albany…
Totally agree. If they knocked down QBE it would prevent the vested interests wasting even more of the public money there. It shouldn’t have been built and when it was the Council was railroaded into guaranteeing the finance. Remember how ASB threatened the Councillors and got an agreement without it going on an agenda? There are far better uses for that site.
Why not just sell off all the stadia? They are not needed for grass roots sports and recreation. What is the basis for subsidising professional sports businesses using rates? If they turn a profit then great, if they don’t then Schumpter’s creative destruction will see to it the land gets used for something useful.
The problem is that you wouldn’t get enough to justify the hassle. Eden Park has the highest land values but add in the cost of clearing the site and building up another location you’d most likely lose money. QBE Stadium could be possible but it’s unlikely to net enough cash to really make a difference to the other two sites (and force North Harbour to play outside of the province). You could sell some land around Mt Smart but demolishing the stadium would leave us in a similar position in regards to finding a new home for the Warriors.
I had an idea that is sadly impossible to implement at least in the foreseeable future. Redevelop Mt Smart to a 50,000 seat rectangular stadium, build a smaller cricket oval where Mt Smart number 2 is and build a transport centre around the corner of Station Road and Maurice Road. I’d also build a few training pitches and encourage local teams as well as sports bodies to base themselves there to provide a centralised sports city.
QBE is a good example of Quax’s favourite term “a boondoggle”, its nothing but a grand monument to the old North Shore City, at the arse end of nowhere.
Stadiums are like State Funerals – every tin pot wannabe civic leader wants one, but they don’t want to pay the price for the privilege of having one.
Really QBE is the white elephant here, (at least until the PT options are sorted out).
Rather than demo it, I think it should be downgraded from a Regional Facility to a local one, left as is (to gently rot) then when and If PT option are addressed longer term, then it can be upgraded. Either that, or the new Regional Development Agency takes over the land, builds a proper town centre there with good PT links and makes it the logical hub of Albany.
Agree that QBE Stadium is in a pretty silly location from a transport perspective. I was caught up in stadium traffic earlier this year… it really snarled up the whole of Albany and a good chunk of the motorway as well. I went to a RWC game as well (South Africa vs Namibia, where I seemed to be the only person cheering for poor old Namibia, who didn’t manage a single point). For that event, Westfield Albany made its parking available for people going to the game, but that is of course entirely at their own discretion and not something that will always be offered. And the public transport links are not great.
QBE and Mt Smart are both great venues in my view. I’ve seen quite a few Warriors games at Mt Smart and lots of soccer at QBE.
I would like to see the Warriors stay at Mt Smart for all the reasons mentioned in this post (and I can’t see a great need to spend a fortune on Mt Smart stadium) and then get AT to fix public transport to QBE so that it is easily and cheaply accessible. I’m in Devonport and I must admit that I tend to drive to both venues (and Eden Park) because it’s a nightmare getting back home otherwise. i’m clearly not the only one who faces this issue.
If AT can be motivated to fix the public transport issues the location of both venues should no longer be a problem.
Why bother with fixing public transport to QBE when Mt Smart is already relatively accessible by public transport now.
Like the post said, most fans are from south of the harbour and i think it’ll be crazy moving the team over the shore.
Seems fully crazy to me. While league I’m sure has fans from all over the city, so a central stadium makes most sense, it is also very clearly a big South Auckland thing; why try to drag all those fans over the bridge for games? Especially to that fatally disconnected stadium. Car centred thinking again by a Council organisation.
Lots of Westies go to the Warriors as well.
The problem is there doesn’t seem to be any other option. If things stay as they are we end up with three under utilised stadiums that are bleeding public money and no proper cricket venue. I don’t think the ratepayers will want to finance a few hundred million dollars to build the ideal stadium system.
They should never have moved league away from Carlaw Park.
Great size, right next to the railway station, in the middle of town.
No, let’s make it a parking lot.
Not just a parking lot, I’m living there along with 400 others students, soon to be joined by another 200-300.
Handy to university, but urban environment around there is pretty awful. So maybe not best place for residential.
Station will result in much better connections through to Parnell though.
Exactly.
Too late now of course, but we had a small centrally located stadium, within easy walking distance of downtown transport and entertainment, but which was abandoned in favour of Mount Smart and North Shore. Remember thinking at the time, that this location once sold off was going be a long term loss to the city.
I don’t think a big waterfront stadium is going to happen now, but would have preferred to have seen a Dunedin style roofed stadium somewhere in the CBD – could have even merged the Vector arena and small stadium functionality.
Yep, that worked out well for ratepayers down there. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10029151/Stadium-could-cost-Dunedin-ratepayers-millions
People need to stop isolating the warriors/ mt smart issue – even in a transport perspective. As pointed out in the post is a strategy to deal with all stadiums/ facilities. Tied into the Mt Smart move is speedway relocation/ reverse sensitivity issues in Grey Lynn/ cricket relocation/ redevelopment of eden park outer oval etc etc. They are all interrelated and without one, it compromises the whole strategy.
The real issue is that both QBE and Mt Smart are generally pretty crap for cars/ PT., so no matter what we are left with there will still be a white elephant.
Yes and one way to limit the transport deficiencies of the existing stadia placement is not to expect the bulk of the fan base to schlep across town for every game…. ahhh; the benefits of the dispersed city eh?
We are not talking big numbers for the warriors – around 16,000 average attendance for home games (assume 10,000 from south Auckland). They usually take away a couple home games from Mt Smart fin a season to Eden Park or around NZ so we are potentially talking about 9 games per year, usually on a Sunday afternoon to suit Australian broadcasters.
Its ironic that Eden Park is the dog that’s driving all this. Too big for all but 2 rugby tests a year, hopelessly over capacity for league and test cricket, but saddled with a debt after spending $240m to get just 7000 extra seats (rarely needed) and no additional events because of location.
Surely they will do something about connectivity for QBE if this goes ahead. What’s the situation like for Western Springs?
Wow KLK, I can’t argue with those stats. Eden Park is the real white elephant here, isn’t it? To give Council their dues, I like the idea of moving cricket to Western Springs and creating a summery, grassy environment there like at the Basin, but I still want to see the Warriors stay at Mt Smart and to pretty much leave Mt Smart as it is now. QBE is new and expandable, so to me it is logical o retain and further develop it and concentrate on improving transport links and the Albany built environment, both of which need to be done in any case.
Eden Park is not even any good for rugby. Stands too far away from the action. Sell it and build a smaller stadium somewhere close to town. Suncorp Stadium in Brisbane or the Sydney Football stadium support league, union and soccer all year round. Sell off QBE and Mt Smart, why does the government have own sports stadia?.
Exactly Bob. Do what should’ve been done in the first place and sell Eden Park and use the proceeds to help pay for a new stadium downtown (Wynyard Wharf area?) That’s close to transport links for everyone whether it be bus, train or ferry from all parts of Auckland. Consolidate all major football code events to one place, in a stadium which is a football code specific stadium with stands close to the pitch for a better atmosphere instead of one that tries to be both football and cricket and does neither well. As a rugby fan it’s great to see that finally the penny has dropped in NZ and the new stadiums in the last decade have all been football code specific rectangular ones (Dunedin, Hamilton and AMI in Christchurch). Pity it didn’t drop soon enough to get the caketin right in Wellington – good location, but wrong form = terrible to watch rugby at. I still shake my head at the RWC2011 decision where we spent a great amount of money for a stadium that has limited use being in a residential area. I thought it was madness then and I still think it was madness now.
About the North shore, I think it needs to be mentioned that NH rugby did better and was better supported when they played at Onewa domain. Maybe NH rugby would be better suited going back there and creating maybe a smaller niche stadium (max capacity 5-6 K for example) as ITM Cup rugby is has been well supplanted by Super rugby and is never going to attract huge numbers in the future. NH Rugby just doesn’t need a stadium of QBE’s size. Maybe as it’s more central to most of the NS, NH rugby might find they begin to get back support again (of course winning some games helps) and QBE can be left to run down and when land in Albany becomes more valuable can also be sold off. Cricket to Western Springs and Speedway to Waikaraka or Mt Smart or vice versa.
I really enjoy watching rugby / football at the stadium in Wellington (T20 cricket too).
I find viewing there is actually fantastic due to the oval shape and no internal columns.
The key is height – even if you have a cheap seat (bronze) and are say on or behind the try line just get up a bit higher and you get great angles.
I find the square idea overrated and it definitely marginalizes the viewing at the ends.
Also I have blogged here before about the stadium in Wellington because it is actually an ASSET (making profits) and the oval design is a big part of that.
Think T20 cricket and Aussie Rules – things that the stadium can accommodate and that were never planned for and so have added to its bottom line.
I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree but as someone who’s watched rugby at the San Siro in Milan, in a football specific stadium with stands close to the pitch, the difference in experience is so great I couldn’t even begin to compare my experience between that stadium and being far, far away from the rugby action at the caketin. Watching sport at the San Siro v caketin, KO to the former in 10secs! Wellington already has a established cricket oval. That should’ve been further developed and left the football codes to a football specific stadium…you know like the vast majority of cases around the world. Obviously the Phoenix for one don’t agree with you either because they’re moving out of the caketin to a new stadium, where again , their fans will be closer to the action and will help build a better atmosphere than in the caketin. If I was in charge of Wellington, I’d rip the stadium down and start again.
Congratulations you’ve been to the San Siro, I’ve been to Twickenham… blah blah blah.
Nothing wrong with the stadium and it is why it has turned a profit for 15 years.
More than happy to disagree – I provided a tip (go high) and a point as to why it is profitable (its an oval)… not sure what your comment was doing.
You are writing what you WANT to believe… there is no other stadium for the Phoenix, check your facts.
They play at a quality venue where their poor performance means they can’t get enough supporters
Play the ball and not the man… er stadium.
Also the stadium is currently SELF funding its phase 2 upgrades from its own profits… there won’t be any pulling down thanks.
It seems like an interesting experiment could be conducted with the stadia mentioned.
So there are 26 rounds / 13 home games? Couldn’t the Warriors play 6-6-1 at Mt Smart, QBE and possibly Wellington / Dunedin?
If any of those games at QBE or Mt Smart trigger a number a certain time before game day couldn’t the games be moved to Eden Park?
All Warriors home games are / can be Sunday games so there wouldn’t be a clash.
i.e. say a figure of 20,000 pre-sales was required by the Wednesday night before game day to move a match to Eden Park.
It would be interesting to see the data over say a 3 year period 2016-18.
Would the West come out and support the Warriors at QBE as much as the South supports them at Mt Smart?
If there was evidence (attendance) showing say 10k per game at QBE and 18k at Mt Smart then clearly the move is going to be a mistake.
If it is more like 16-20k at both grounds well then it may actually be reasonable to relocate.
Also the other interesting thing to me would be how often say pre-sales could hit 20k to force an Eden Park fixture and what type of walk up crowd / interest you would get on top of that.
So sell land in an expensive location to buy land in a really expensive location to build a stadium on? I’m not sure how that would add up but some figures from you on this would help illustrate how this might work.
Eden Park is unsalable. Who wants a stadium that is unusable? Demolition costs and resource consents for alternative uses would be prohibitive. Mt Eden land may be expensive but not THAT expensive.
I’ve been waiting to get my teeth into this one all day but the Transport blog posters have largely stolen my thunder.
As a solution my ideal scenario would be to sell all three stadiums and build a rectangular 35,000 seat waterfront stadium that would house Akl Blues, Warriors, ITM Cup Akl team and All Blacks games.
Leave speedway where it is, expanding the season to 15 race meetings. Western Springs residents are overwhelmingly in favour of keeping the speedway where it is. Why we have to listen to the dozen objectors I’ll never know.
Some light needs to be shed on the tender process that lead to Bill Buckley retaining the rights to run speedway at Western Springs. Would be a good project for Nicky Hagar š
I guess that leaves Cricket. Given the low number of spectators this sport attracts Colin Maiden Park would work well š
“Some light needs to be shed on the tender process that lead to Bill Buckley retaining the rights to run speedway at Western Springs. Would be a good project for Nicky Hagar :)”
Well he can’t afford another police raid on his home so I think he’ll give that one a miss…
“I guess that leaves Cricket. Given the low number of spectators this sport attracts Colin Maiden Park would work well :)”
Worked well for the HRV T20 matches leading up to the RWC when Eden Park was out of action for Cricket.
Could make it a really nice boutique ground to rival the Basin Reserve if some work was put into it.
So if Cricket went there, why that would leave Western Springs free for… The Warriors!
And then QBE would not be needed.
Complete incompetence by RFA
Sports is based on history; the cultural accretions of decades.
We didn’t beat Aussie in 92 at Western Springs.
They didn’t chant Hadlee, Hadlee on the Terraces at Western Springs
Walter Hammond didn’t hit 10 6s in his 330 at Western Springs
They should all be sacked.
Bah, it’s exactly that sort of pie eyed blather that caused Auckland to waste $300m on a stadium in the wrong place, with a field that’s no good for cricket, and a stand far too large for all but one or two rugby games a year.
Who cares what one guy did this one time 22 years ago? Shouldn’t we be worried about what current and future fans get to see? Western Springs will be a great venue that will lead to good attendances and plenty of people enjoying a lively atmosphere.
Wellington canned Athletic Stadium for the Cake Tin…all that history remains unaltered, it still was what it was, only now Wellingtonians have a better place to see the stories being made.
Please note that there were no cricket tests played at Eden park for about 5 years until recently. The ground is far too small and received special dispensation for the last test series from the ICC. Time to create a new legacy at Western Springs.
Can’t reply to the obvious comment about Dunedin, but…. sure, Dunedin has struggled with the cost of a decent stadium, but then Auckland is an order of magnitude larger and better funded.
Weather might be better here, but transport is also a much larger issue; I remember walking all around Dunedin in my student days but getting to AB or Blues games, I tended to drive (from Whangaparaoa/North Shore) to Devonport, Ferry, then train and walk to make a night of it.
Been to a couple of Warriors games, but being North Shore based, happy if they move to QBE. Yes, they might lose a few South Auckland fans, (not that Mt Smart is exactly South Auckland) but a few league fans like me from Stanmore Bay/Northcote etc
I used the huge park n ride carpark, and it is an easy, flat 15 minute walk to the game. Could be better, but the walk from the train station to Eden park seemed about the same. Gt North road is not all that flash either. Bugger all pubs in the area before and after the game in Albania, but then I am not much of a drinker anyway. Opportunity for more than a few sausage sizzles and car boot picnics in the car-parks along the way.
Adelaide have just been through this process. There was a suburban stadium at West Lakes for Australian Rules Football (AFL), but it was unattractive and attendance numbers were declining each year, and 17,000 was a typical good attendance. Ticket prices included travel on special-purpose buses, which travelled from most parts of the city. Then with financial support from the State Government the more central Adelaide Oval was upgraded for both cricket and AFL. Since opening earlier this year, there have been several sell-out games of 50,000, and the game is much more attractive for interstate fans staying in CBD accommodation. The Adelaide Oval has access to trains, hotels, restaurants and the normal bus network, in addition to the special games bus network.
By consigning the “low attendance” games to QBE, isn’t this guaranteeing that they are low attendance ? But if games have to be at QBE, surely a bus priority road system such as was used at West Lakes in Adelaide, combined with a games bus network, would help speed fans in and out.
It seems like an interesting experiment could be conducted with the stadia mentioned.
So there are 26 rounds / 13 home games? Couldnāt the Warriors play 6-6-1 at Mt Smart, QBE and possibly Wellington / Dunedin?
If any of those games at QBE or Mt Smart trigger a number a certain time before game day couldnāt the games be moved to Eden Park?
All Warriors home games are / can be Sunday games so there wouldnāt be a clash.
i.e. say a figure of 20,000 pre-sales was required by the Wednesday night before game day to move a match to Eden Park.
It would be interesting to see the data over say a 3 year period 2016-18.
Would the West come out and support the Warriors at QBE as much as the South supports them at Mt Smart?
If there was evidence (attendance) showing say 10k per game at QBE and 18k at Mt Smart then clearly the move is going to be a mistake.
If it is more like 16-20k at both grounds well then it may actually be reasonable to relocate.
Also the other interesting thing to me would be how often say pre-sales could hit 20k to force an Eden Park fixture and what type of walk up crowd / interest you would get on top of that.
70% of warriors attendees are from west, north and central. The Warriors are a private franchise. The Council are the landlord acting on behalf of us ratepayers. There is NO WAY I want to subsidise an under performing sports team owned by the rich. 2 years ago their mission was to make the Warriors the biggest sporting club in Autraliasia. What a joke Mr Watson.
Its a shame Mt Smart cant be kept and redeveloped. Its a nice ground, quite picturesque with the symmetrical stands and grass embankments and perfectly suited to the football codes. But Simon is right. They are a private venture – council is under no obligation to provide the stadium they want and prefer.
I still think its a decision to force them to Eden Park but this is an opportunity they should grab, especially if the stats on their supporters being predominantly outside south Auckland are true.
Its a chance to break the stereotype of “state house rugby”, commercial opportunities might increase, potential expanded (wealthier?) supporter base (nobody is going to watch Harbour) and if the roof eventuates, one of the best stadiums in the country.
I think that the NZRLs decision to not play any of the 4 Nations in Auckland sends a very good signal.
As opposed to ratepayers and taxpayers subsidising a private stadium? See the parallels.
Eden Park is held by a trust. So no individual or business is profiting from pushing more events there.
I guess what I meant was that being owned by the trust, it is not actually under control of AC so ratepayers are effectively subsidising a non council owned entity.
The big problem is that Auckland Council do not own, nor control, Eden Park. Why exactly are RFA bending over backwards to accomodate what is effectively a private stadium at the expense of fans and rate payers?
My understanding is that Central Government has (or will) transfer its interests to Auckland Council. This will come with an enormous debt which will ultimately be met by Auckland ratepayers. the costs to rebuild for RWC was about $300m so the debt accompanying that Must be quite large.
There is still the Eden Park Trust Board and Auckland Cricket to consider. Eden Park is quite complex.
As an aside, here is an idea to tie PT to CBE and Massey Uni.
http://voakl.net/2014/07/08/the-albany-metropolitan-centre-and-the-northern-busway-extension/
Great idea for both rejuvenating Albany town center and accessing the sport/rec facilities there
It doesn’t matter how you carve the turkey – its still a turkey all said and done (that applies to both QBE and Albany)
If they do go to Eden Park, the first thing they should do is close all of the upper tiers for seating. Having the crowd all in the lower tiers closest to the field would improve atmosphere.
I think there is merit and keeping QBE as a facility for the north and that’s why I think there should be something for the south. Sell of the Mt Smart land and replicate Addington Stadium (CHCH) in Manukau, close to the station. Counties could even relocate there. A basic venue, 15k max, purpose built for the rectangular field football codes, all-seating, all covered.
KLK I don’t think Council owns the land at MT Smart.
Why do you think thats the case Simon, and if not council then who does?
And if so, thats even more reason for AC/RFA to not have anything to do with Mt Smart long term, why pour money into a stadium on land it doesn’t own?
Itching its one of the local Iwi
If the Warriors insist the south is their heartland, and as a from-left-field solution, go to Growers Stadium in Pukekohe. Opens up your match day catchment to Hamilton and the northern Waikato. Extend electrification from the north and run diesels from Hamilton Central through Huntly,Tuakau etc. Thats a lot of people within an acceptable train ride to the stadium.
Still like the idea of a rectangular venue for Manukau though.
Getting back to the PT aspect, Western Springs looks much better provided for, especially once (if) the NW busway is in
Springs currently suffers from appalling severance by the ever widening SH16/GNR clusterf*ck, especially at the St Lukes interchange. But really all along its length; SH16 needs more bike and ped bridges to mitigate its barrier effect, and they need good connections to Park/Motat/Arena.
Yes NW busway is desperately required, with a really good station there.
Stadiums are yesterday.
If QBE is to be used (and due to its relatively young age it must) as one of three regional stadiums has anyone explored the possibility of moving cricket to the oval behind the stadium?
If you had 20-30 mid tier events (Warriors, Blues, Harbour, Phoenix and National Soccer / League) as well as 10-15 cricket events (some Auckland and the Black Caps) the annual schedule is starting to get to a suitable level (30-40 events).
Having say an event 2 out of every 3 weeks that could attract 5-15,000 would surely help push the cause for Busway extension to Albany.
Also Massey has a campus with 7,000 students.
The two combined with some form of TOD would seem reasonable.
Interesting if you compare travel times (by car) at times with no congestion:
Henderson to Mt Smart (25-27min)
Henderson to QBE (22min)
City centre to Mt Smart (11min)
City centre to QBE (16min)
I guess the losers will be the South and East if there is a transfer of stadia, The North a winner and the West and City centre pretty much neutral.
Reduced / free PT might need to be considered in QBE ticketing if this is to take place.
Or chartered QBE buses departing from selected Southern line train stations, say Ellerslie, Otahuhu, Manukau, Papakura direct to Albany with match ticket.
As the only cricket ground in the region, Albany would be too isolated.