Over the last three years the Mayor has come up with a few transport ideas that might sound good at first but just don’t make practical sense – his Harbour Crossing proposal is a classic example – and he’s just added another to his list: diverting buses from nearby arterial routes directly to Maungawhau station. As reported by Stuff:
Auckland mayor Wayne Brown is calling for urgent changes to be made to Maungawhau Station ahead of its opening as part of the City Rail Link.
The station, which was formerly known as Mt Eden Station, will play a significant role in the new network, linking the 3.45km tunnel with the existing train tracks and stations.
Brown is concerned about the design because buses won’t stop outside the station on Ruru Street, so people will need to walk 250m from New North Road or Mt Eden Road to catch a train.
There will be no designated pick-up or drop-off space for private vehicles, although there will be access for Uber drivers.
At a Transport Resilience and Infrastructure Committee meeting on Thursday, Brown laid out his issues with the current plans of the station.
“I have been very disappointed at what was going on at Maungawhau,” Brown said.
“You’ve got a major railway station you can’t get to by car, you walk in the rain, you couldn’t get an ambulance there, a fire engine or a bus.
“It’s centred between two major roads off New North Road and Mt Eden Road.”
Brown says he has devised a way for there to be a through road by the station and has given this to Auckland Transport, who are looking into it.
Firstly, the Mayor is simply wrong about access to the station. Stuff has since updated the article with quotes from CRL about how access to the station is allowed for emergency services, drop off, etc, and that they have operational plans to respond to emergencies.
“The designs for Maungawhau Station and its precinct have always included access for all emergency service vehicles. FENZ, Hato Hone St John and Police have been engaged in the design.
“Operational plans to respond to emergencies in the station have also been developed. Auckland Transport can control traffic signals remotely to prioritise emergency vehicle traffic if necessary.
“A comprehensive programme of preparatory exercises is being delivered in collaboration with FENZ, NZ Police and Hato Hone in advance of CRL’s opening in 2026 to ensure evacuation of the station in an emergency.
[…]
…to be clear, the current proposal does have pick-up and drop-off areas for taxis, ubers and private vehicles provided at the station.
“Accessible drop-off is even closer to the station on the same section of the street, with a roll-up kerb to accommodate easier access to the footpath . Universal access routes to the station are provided from Ngahura Street via a shared walking and cycling path and from Mt Eden Road through the new walking and cycling link.”
Having buses connect to train stations is generally a good idea, but as always, the devil is in the details – and I think that in this situation, it doesn’t make sense. Here’s why:
Diverting buses unnecessarily is bad
The sections of New North Rd and Mt Eden Rd that pass close to Maungawhau Station carry some of Auckland’s busiest bus routes, with New North Rd, Sandringham Rd, Dominion Rd and Mt Eden Rd buses passing by here. Combined, these routes carried around 7.3 million trips in the year to the end of March – that’s about 11% of all bus trips in Auckland.
Especially at peak times, these buses are full of people, the majority of whom will be travelling to the city centre for work or study. Diverting buses to go past the station likely adds 300-400 metres to bus journeys. That might not sound like a lot, but combined with the need to navigate additional signalised intersections it probably adds at least two minutes, possibly more, to the journey times for millions of trips.
Adding time to journeys is the opposite of what we should be doing if we want more people to be using public transport. If anything, Dominion Rd buses should use Ian McKinnon Dr (removing the existing deviation to Mt Eden Rd), which would speed up services.
In addition, longer journey times could increase operational costs, especially it means additional services need to be run to maintain frequencies.
But what about bus-train transfers?
Transferring from one service to another plays a key role in our public transport system, so diverting buses might be acceptable if doing so opened up significant new travel opportunities. But Maungawhau doesn’t do this.
For a start, the station is primarily only going to serve Western Line trains, and those trains will be at their busiest at Maungawhau. Yes – there will be some semblance of a crosstown train route, but it will be too infrequent for people to be transferring to it in large numbers.
People on Sandringham Rd buses can easily transfer to the train at Kingsland, while New North Rd bus users could also do this at Morningside, Mt Albert or even Avondale.
With the CRL open, the Western Line will be linked to the Eastern Line – so once that’s up and running, the main value of a transfer at Maungawhau would be for people on Dominion Rd or Mt Eden Rd buses who want to go somewhere out along the Western Line or Eastern Line.
People will still be able to make that transfer, but it won’t be a huge source of current or future demand. So doesn’t balance out delaying millions of other trips to achieve this.
What about transfers to the city?
There is occasionally a suggestion that citybound people will hop off buses and transfer to CRL trains on the edge of the central city. I think what is driving this view comes from the idea that trains are always a better choice or a faster ride.
Yes, people will transfer if it meaningfully quickens their end-to-end journey time, or if their final stop is more conveniently located. But this is unlikely to be the case here for many people.
By train, the time between Maungawhau Station to Te Waihorotiu Station is estimated to be 6 minutes, whereas the journey time for the #25 bus on Mt Eden Road is 10-11 minutes. So at a glance it might look quicker to get off the bus and hop onto the train for your journey to the heart of the city.
However, making this transfer would also involve the time it takes you to get to/ from the platforms at each end, some of which are very deep. For example, it currently takes at least two minutes to get from the platforms at Britomart out to Te Komititanga. Plus there’s the minutes spent waiting for a train to arrive, unless you’re super lucky with your timing.
As a result, in most cases the travel time is likely to end up similar to if you’d just stayed on the bus, so most people won’t bother.
Also, people forget that city centre buses don’t just go to Queen Street – they stop at many other places throughout the city centre, such as Wynyard Quarter and the Universities. For many passengers the New North Road and Mt Eden buses will always be the best way to get to their destination, so it’s important that they remain fast, direct and legible.
A 250m walk to transfer between services isn’t that uncommon
Easy transfers, where you step off one service and almost immediately onto another, are obviously ideal – but not always practical. So having a short walk is common, here and in many cities overseas. A perfect example of a transfer of this length in Auckland is between trains at Britomart and the NX1 buses on Lower Albert St. At best, if you’re right at the front of a train you’ve got at least a 280m walk to reach the NX1 bus stops, and for parts of that walk you’re exposed to the elements.
So for Maungawhau (and probably elsewhere too), installing canopies along the popular walking routes between the nearby main roads and the station is probably a cheaper and easier long-term solution than diverting all buses.
This is an important example of how buses and trains work together as a network. Making connections between the services should be as seamless as possible without undermining the usefulness of either mode. Leaving buses on the existing main routes achieves this the best.
It impacts development capacity
Putting aside the question of the value of transferring here, there is also the question of how it would work in practical terms. The current spatial plan for Maungawhau has most of the site planned for development, supported by a number of smaller access streets. The topography of the site, the planned street widths and the desired future land uses simply aren’t well suited for use by some of the city’s busiest bus routes.
To divert buses would require significant changes to this plan, and that would likely reduce the overall development potential as there would be less land available for buildings.
This spatial plan is already in the process of being implemented, as can clearly be seen in this image. How much more would it cost to change these plans now?
A wider view is also available in the latest drone flyover.
What the council would be better to focus on here is ensuring that the development on these sites can be maximised. This area was left off the council’s response to the government’s National Policy Statement on Urban Development which requires more density around train stations; and the site is also impacted by various view shafts. Addressing this angle could help ensure we’re getting the most from this important site.
In short, I get where the Mayor is coming from, and in a perfect world it would be easier to transfer at Maungawhau – but a 250 metre walk is not far. Given Maungawhau’s location in the city, and within the transport network, few will want to make the transfer here when in it would make more sense somewhere else.
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Aren’t western buses going to be/already routed to run past Katanga-a-Hape anyway? Transferring from a bus to a train there makes more sense there, since at most you’d only need to cross Krd/Pitt St to get too Beresford Sq
Transferring from bus to train at Karanga-a-hape makes even less sense than doing it at Maungawhau.
Transferring to full trains to go one or two stops, when your bus is already heading that way is just not practical and may take longer than staying on the bus.
Yeah, Maungawhau is too close, but the only other reason many people would wanna transfer is if they’re going to and from east/south Auckland
And since Karanga-a-Hape would have bus stops moved to right outside Beresford Sq, itll be easier to transfer there than at Maungawhau anyway
Yeah near destination transfers have low appeal. Also inbound trains here should often be full, as they are also near their peak destination, so that further lowers the attractiveness of giving up your seat and trying for another on a different service.
Keep busy transit routes as direct as possible. Definitely look at straightening out Dom Rd services to Ian McKinnon.
And on the now empty sites around the station I am way less concerned about their current appearance than on the quality and the commercial viability of their eventual development. Council absolutely controls that outcome through the planning conditions imposed there, and the commercial model they attempt to use to develop it.
To optimise the value from the public investment in the CRL, and for the general improvement of the city, high creative ambition in partnership with the very best of the private sector is needed here.
There is a great opportunity for a well planned and ambitious whole new precinct, high density well designed leafy new precincts like new parts of Oslo and Copenhagen are absolutely possible here. The infrastructure is all in place to support this, should be a great place to live.
Pushing high volumes of already full buses through the ideally narrow lanes would undermine this possibility.
They could straighten out some of the New North Rd buses via Ian McKinnon as well. Not all of them, just one of the 22 and one of the 24. Not everybody is going to AUT or Uni, and particularly in the early morning rush time some “fast finish” buses that take the slip road to Ian McKinnon Drive would be great for people who are going to Queen St, particularly as the stop at the Wellesley St/Queen St has been closed and if you want to go to Queen St you have to walk down from either AUT or the stop near St Matthew’s.
During the introduction of “The New Network” some Dominion Road buses travelled via Don McKinnon Drive. AT received numerous complaints from customers who needed to access parts of Mt Eden. Those buses were subsequently re routed to avoid Don McKinnon Drive. Had Auckland proceeded with Light Rail as originally scoped, the unites would have travelled along Don McKinnon Drive, to reach Dominion Road.
On 9 May 2018, in a pre-Budget announcement, Twyford and Finance Minister Grant Robertson made the surprise announcement that work on two routes would commence immediately, with an open-tender process for funding, construction, and operation of the lines:
A line from Wynyard Quarter along Queen Street with one route to Auckland Airport via Dominion Road.
A second line, also travelling along Queen Street, then via Karangahape Road and Great North Road to Westgate via a Northwestern Motorway dedicated light-rail corridor, with extensions indicated to Kumeū and Huapai, running past the currently disused Kumeū and Huapai railway stations on the North Auckland Line. Passenger services on the Western Line do not currently operate north of Swanson and do not serve these stations.
Images released at the time show LR units travelling along Ian McKiinnon Drive towards Dominion Road
https://www.arup.com/globalassets/images/projects/a/auckland-light-rail/auckland-light-rail-large.jpg
“Brown says he has devised a way for there to be a through road by the station and has given this to Auckland Transport, who are looking into it.”
Dear Lord, isn’t that just plain Browny – the Boomer-knows-best mentality.
He’s a Vintage Boomer, born 9 months earlier he would have been in the Silent Generation, and the world would have been better off. It’s going to be a long 3 years listening to the reckons of an 79 – 81 year old man for his next term.
He’s THAT old? He’s in the Trump/Biden cohort? Ouch.
“There is occasionally a suggestion that citybound people will hop off buses and transfer to CRL trains on the edge of the central city. I think what is driving this view comes from the idea that trains are always a better choice or a faster ride.”
AT’s own research shows that people prefer to remain on a bus, rather than risk transferring to what could be a full train. This is especially so in winter months, even if the bus trip takes longer than a transfer. ie: “I prefer to sit in my seat in a nice warm bus, even if it takes me longer to get to my destination, without having to transfer”
This was an incredibly frustrating discussion at TRIC last week. I showed everyone the render from the CRLL website which clearly showed taxis dropping folks off right outside, and officers confirmed that that had not changed from earlier plans. I asked if it was closer to the station than drop offs at Britomart – yes. I asked if the bus stops for Mt Eden Road and New North Road were going to be roughly the same distance from the platforms as they were when it was Mt Eden Station – yes. I asked them to explain about the community liaison group that has been underway for years and who it included – that was all laid out for my colleagues. The delayed development here has been known about for ages, it is not new, and while it is frustrating a lot of it is a direct result of the fact that so much of the land around the station has been the literal worksite for the building of two massive tunnels, and only recently were the obvious entrances covered over. While the site is being exited slowly now, that’s very recent – anyone who goes past on a 25 or 27 regularly, like I do, has watched this over years and will know that it’s very new that parts of the site are not yard or spill or bloody great big holes in the ground.
If I’m not mistaken, the primary concern here is that Brown wants two-way traffic along Ruru Street in front of the station? The buses aren’t the real concern here, I would suspect.
“What about transfers to the city”
Only Mt Eden road buses go to downtown, the rest terminate around midtown. So I suspect a lot of users would transfer to train if it was easy to do, because who wants to go to midtown these days. The buses crawl through the city, I suspect train would be popular.
In Feb 2020 the West trains were standing room only by New Lynn and leaving people behind by MT Albert. People would get out at Kingsland to take busses.
Transferring to a packed train rather than saying on the bus headed the same place, is not going to be popular as it could very easily result in much worse arrival times.
Not everyone travels at peak. I often go into the city with the kids, almost always to downtown, its quite a long walk for kids or we have to change to another bus. I’d rather change to the train.
Peak is the most important time and best time to do transfers. Off peak you will be waiting much longer.
Do you want to make the bus even worse forever for everyone just so you can of peak take a train for two stops?
Only a tiny number of people directly inconvenience themselves to access the preferred mode.
I think Brown has identified the issue – that they spent too much time and money making a big impressive station without ever considering how bad the location is. I don’t necessarily agree with his solution though.
My bus is already diverted by about 5 minutes compared to going straight down Ian McKinnan, the only explanation I can think of for using Symonds Street is to have access to the Train Station.
Also 50% of the trips will be in the other direction. If you are near Britomart and want to get to Balmoral etc, it will be a lot quicker to train to Mt Eden and change than to walk to midtown and sit on a bus in traffic. I hope the trains are not full at Britomart in peak…
It sounds like you really like transfers or really hate busses.
Most people will do what is convenient, take one trip save time rather than transfer.
If you want you can walk 250 meters and do this silly transfer.
For a lot of the central isthmus, Mt Eden is the only connection to the rail network other than the city centre. Not everyone is going to the city.
If you want to transfer to a train at Maungawhau, great. It’ll be easy to do.
It’s just not worth diverting buses to reduce that short walk.
Jak at the moment you either need to transfer to another bus or walk most of the length of Queen Street (which according to Google Maps takes 15 mins). If I am going to Britomart it takes about 30 minutes from Mt Eden Station by bus/walk, the train will be a much better option. It won’t only be me doing it…
“It’s just not worth diverting buses to reduce that short walk.” – I probably agree, but they should have built something with better connectivity in the first place. Will it at least be covered? Would 200m be acceptable at say Panmure?
Jimbo – using Panmure as a transfer example isn’t the best. That’s the beginning and end of the Eastern Bus Way. Of course you’d want transfers to be as easy and seamless there as possible.
Who knows if moving the Maungawhau CRL station closer to Mt Eden Rd was part of initial CRL planning …
But it would be very silly to divert New North or Mt Eden Rd buses into this new area.
Direct connections in this particular location doesn’t make sense.
Original CRL plan up until 2014 was for a Newton Station at the Upper Symonds St/Newton Rd/Kyber Pass Rd interchange, and an Inner West Interchange at the Dominion/Ian McKinnon/New North Rd interchange.
“…they spent too much time and money making a big impressive station without ever considering how bad the location is.”
I feel sorry for all those who were involved in this project, who have literally spent years getting it right despite all the reckons like this and people like Brown code browning all over the great work that has gotten this to actually happen. You really think no one even considered the implications of the location?
Yee, keep this plan as per the original. Doesn’t make sense at all to divert buses to here.
The faster the bus trip the better for all involved. 200 meters is a nothing transfer.
If Brown wants an axe to grind, where is bus light priority?
St Mary’s Bay m’way bus priority heading north, would be appreciated.
Little things like New North Rd make the left lane approaching Bond St left and bus only at the lights – would stop all the queue jumpers that scoot up the left then block the bus lane in the morning trying to merge into the right lane. Would cost almost nothing, couple of repainted arrows, and benefit a lot more people.
Why Mayor stick his nose out of the sudden into this? Simple reason: Election is near and someone is panicking to show his empty achievement during his tenure.
A great counter-argument to Brown’s election year knee-jerk headline grab over this. My first thought was the distance to NX1 and other buses at Britomart, so it’s good to see that in print here. Hopefully powers that be take notice and this is pointed out to the Mayor.
I do NX1 to Britomart in about 2 minutes. My only complaint about it is the lack of weather protection.
But if they built a band new Britomart, shouldn’t they consider NEX connectivity in the design and location?
It feels like this is one of the biggest interchange stations in the city with 4 major bus routes driving past it…
Understanding and solving problems, for an Engineer, involves:
Ask, Listen, Think, Speak.
2-3 of those steps seem to have been missed in coming up with this idea.
Boomers and carbrains allergic to walking to get places, and hypocritical enough to not recognise that walking from a parked car to their destination is the same as a walking transfer between a bus stop and a train station.
In other news, water is wet.
Some of us have disabilities
Station to Mt Eden Road bus stop along Ruru Lane is level and fully accessible. Station to New North Road is precipitous.
Yeah see also: Smales Farm. In theory the buses could stop on Taharoto Road (about 250m away) or The Avenue (much closer but we have negative city planning skill so that is a private street).
The main issue is that a 250m walk often takes much longer than just the 2 to 3 minutes of walking. You have to wait implausibly long at traffic lights. You have to give way to all traffic coming from 360° at every intersection. It really is something you’re not normally supposed to do.
It’s rare, if not untold, that I disagree with Greater Auckland’s view on transport things. When I do I tend to reflect on the error of my ways and then agree. However, and much as I despise the man, I think Brown may have a point with transfers. Back in the dark old days, prior to CRL, I used to catch a train regularly from salubrious Avondale to Mt Eden; walk along the platform to the bridge connecting it to Mt Eden Road, cross it and catch one of the many frequent 25 buses to Dominion Road (barber, then lawyer, Farro, etc). I won’t be able to do that from Maungawhau. The only direct connection with Mt Eden Road from the station appears to be an emergency exit. To access 25 buses next year I’ll have to ascend the escalators, and then retrace my walk. What was a 50m walk becomes a 250m walk; good for my health, possibly; but bad for my timing.
“The only direct connection with Mt Eden Road from the station appears to be an emergency exit. ”
You are incorrect. There is a whole path called Ruru Lane. https://www.greaterauckland.org.nz/2024/09/13/weekly-roundup-13-september-2024/crl-maungawhau-station-ruru-lane-and-new-path/
So many people go off on long reckons based on inaccurate information, itself based on someone else’s reckons.
They could at least move the bus stops so they are right on the Ngahura St intersection instead of being 50-100m up the road